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Post by enkur on Aug 17, 2011 0:03:49 GMT -5
Did Lovecraft write a necronomicon too? As far as I've read Lovecraft's stories he only mentions about that mysterious book here and there. The only necronomicon known to me allegedly based on the Mesopotamian traditions is Simon's Necronomicon where he alludes to the Babylonian cosmology of Enuma Elish and the Maqlu texts.
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Aug 17, 2011 0:32:45 GMT -5
Welcome new members: @ Blindinglight - Glad to see your around and posting! Very nice introduction and great to have another U of T student around Will check that blog out - don't forget the enenuru papers section hm? @ Nznznzn - I'm always pleased to see new learners show up, particularly ones interested in Sumerian culture and Sumerian magic. As you may have picked up, enenuru is a Sumerian word meaning "incantation". For a very general introduction to the academic study of Sumerian magic, I've recently made a post here (Lukurkurra): www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?13379-Mesopotamian-magicFor an index of subjects on our Mesopotamian Magic board see: enenuru.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=recite&action=display&thread=186For a critical view of the necronomicon: enenuru.net/html/cuneiform_magic/maqluexpl.htmIf you should have questions or requests feel free to start a new thread or email me directly. Cheers
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Post by nznznzn on Aug 17, 2011 14:36:29 GMT -5
Hello us4-he2-gal2,
Thank you - your occultcorpus summary was very interesting and informative. Thanks for taking the time to patiently explain it. I am surprised to note the scholarly differences as opposed to general myth and expectation -such as the absence of evidence for black magic / though not so surprised as I was already aware duality was a later development.
The index will be very useful - and though I glanced over the refutation to the Necronomicon {simons, yes, not lovecrafts, my mistake} it occurs to me that despite being an obvious piece of fiction it must cause some headaches for actual Ki-en-gir researchers and scholars - but I don't have any preconceptions of Sumer from the Necronomicon except that Simon and Lovecraft drew from it in some way.
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Post by ninurta2008 on Aug 21, 2011 6:48:03 GMT -5
Welcome theblindinglight and nznznzn!
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Post by dingo on Aug 30, 2011 10:28:45 GMT -5
Hi, what a wonderful site full of in depth discussion on so many things of interest. Wonderful. My forum name is Dingo, I'm based in London, work in the publishing field.
My main interests at present [/li][li] the cuneiform writing system, not so much the Sumerian or Akkadian language but the sign system itself. [/li][li] the stars and constellations of Mesopotamia [/li][li] the Gilgamesh tradition [/li][li] omen lore in general
I have a semi-decent library centering on the above and occasionally pop up to the SOAS library (School of Oriental & African Studies) in central London to do masses of photocopying.
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Aug 30, 2011 19:22:36 GMT -5
Hello Dingo: Welcome to the board. You really are quite lucky to have access to the SOAS library - I would say the vast majority of enthusiasts are frustrated by lack of access to these sorts of libraries. If you interest is cuneiform, keep in mind that it entirely possible for persons not taking cuneiform courses at uni. to learn cuneiform on their own initiative. It takes about 20 mins a day. If interested feel free to contact me or our local dub-sar (Sheshki) - see also: enenuru.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=selfdiscombobulationetc&action=display&thread=119
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Post by lilitudemon on Dec 18, 2011 21:28:11 GMT -5
I know I am late, but hello and welcome nznznzn and theblindinglight!
Also, hello and welcome Dingo!
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Post by ghost on Feb 16, 2012 21:08:16 GMT -5
hey even guests can post now
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Post by sheshki on Feb 17, 2012 3:25:58 GMT -5
well, that is suboptimal...bill...do something
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Feb 18, 2012 10:35:40 GMT -5
Hello Ghost - funny, even though you are new your matter of fact nature seems rather familiar.
P.S. Sheshki - I have just figured out how to set board to registered members only. If I'm not mistaken, guest may now read but not post.
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Post by dodo on Mar 15, 2012 5:02:21 GMT -5
Hello everybody. I'm not a specialist in Ancient Near Eastern cultures, nonetheless I am researching some ANE topics in order to complete an essay I am writing about some myths. Therefore I think my participation will be more of a demanding kind than providing. Hopefully you won't be bored by my queries, and perhaps they can stimulate some interesting discussion. Thank you by now. Dodo (Italy)
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Mar 17, 2012 0:54:36 GMT -5
Hello Dodo -
Welcome to the board. Well your certainly welcome as are all to come and ask what can be said here, from an academic perspective. We will do what we can -
Best Regards.
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Post by katharsis on Apr 8, 2012 19:13:16 GMT -5
Hello! I am Katharsis, currently living in Germany. I have registered here because I like the culture of Mesopotamia and want to find out more about it... I wish to learn the cuneiform script but is seems to be pretty difficult. The epic of Gilgamesh is important for science of religion and thus made me so interested in this culture. I think that if a religion can be true then only one of the first ones. Nevermind, I am an agnostic, interested in philosophy and much more Dingir reminds me of striving for the godlike.
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Post by darkl2030 on Apr 8, 2012 22:55:44 GMT -5
Nice necklace, Katharsis. Any coincidence that you happen to be named after a very very awesome german black metal band?? >:-)
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Post by sheshki on Apr 9, 2012 7:22:30 GMT -5
Hi Katharsis, welcome to the board. I hope you will find whatever you´re looking for here. So you wish to learn the cuneiform script but you´re afraid that it is complicated. Well i have good news for you, its not as difficult as it may look. Here a first link, our cuneiform diaries. enenuru.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=selfdiscombobulationetc&action=display&thread=119Let me know if you need any help. Greetings Sheshki P.S.:A big hello to all the other new members as well!
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Apr 9, 2012 10:21:14 GMT -5
Hello Katharsis -
I think what you may find as an agnostic, and I myself am the same, is that Sumerian religion is a chance to see the truth of things from a sociological perspective. So, how religion developed in early literate urban society. In Sumer you have land owning temples and a caste of priestly elite who eat from the sacrifices offered to the temple, while the statue of the god and access to the inner sanctum is secret and cut of from the public, in other words it is "sacred". What the people take in return is a sense of order and a hope for deliverance at least from the very worst of the many things to suffer from in those times.
Whether or not religion has ever been true, it seems like for 98% of our history or so, it has been absolutely necessary - this is a sense you get from reading Sumerian texts I think.
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Post by sheshki on Apr 9, 2012 10:41:33 GMT -5
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Post by darkl2030 on Apr 11, 2012 15:56:46 GMT -5
That's a cool game, sheshki! Sadly enough, I think it helps me more with my german than with cuneiform!
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Post by sheshki on Apr 11, 2012 17:30:22 GMT -5
Well, you learned something, that is good then
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Post by katharsis on Apr 16, 2012 16:38:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the gentle answers! I will surely contribute on this forum but now I have to learn for my school exams (and read Kants Kritik der reinen Vernunft ...). This thread about cuneiform is amazing. I have found this forum while looking for good dingir pictures and google has delivered a picture from this thread
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Post by lilitudemon on Jan 6, 2013 19:12:39 GMT -5
Welcome Katharsis.
I've had a long absence, I am sure not many people miss me. But I like to discuss the Mesopotamians with people and this place is excellent for resources. Been busy with school. I can't say I did a lot fo Mesopotamian stuff in between those times, I did do a report on the influence of Zoroastrianism on Judaism, but it's not exactly Mesopotamian work.
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Post by Šarraku on Jan 29, 2013 19:41:15 GMT -5
Ancient Mesopotamia has been a great love of mine for a long time, and after years of stalling, I have finally decided to actively devote myself to studying it. I began studying Akkadian three weeks ago using "A Workbook of Cuneiform Signs" by Daniel Snell, and am studying grammar and vocabulary using a variety of books and websites. Eventually I hope to move up to Sumerian. After years of looking for a community like this without success, it was an awesome surprise when I found this board looking for DINGIR pictures. I have a rarely-used Tumblr that I post practice cuneiform on: markusim.tumblr.com/I look forward to being a member of this forum!
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Post by sheshki on Jan 30, 2013 3:30:48 GMT -5
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Jan 30, 2013 16:37:06 GMT -5
Welcome Šarraku!
Very glad to see you found us eventually. It's actually quite rare to find people with your particular enthusiasms of course so I am always a little surprised. I'm sure we will be able to help out with your study.
Feel free to email me directly anytime, I am a student so have had a breakdown of most of my social efficiency - i.e. can be slow at responding. But am always pleased to get mail from members who have requests or questions or whatever. bill.mcgrath@utoronto.ca
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Post by sheshki on Jan 31, 2013 11:39:45 GMT -5
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Post by Šarraku on Feb 1, 2013 4:48:21 GMT -5
us4-he2-gal2, thank you for the support. I'll definitely be needing some help with this. ;D sheshki, having read the Cuneiform Diary, I am beyond amazed at how you have completely mastered this writing system; those homemade tablets look indistinguishable from the real deal. It must take much dedication to reach that level of skill. I appreciate the alternatives. There are so many choices when it comes to translating a name into another language: whether to preserve the original pronunciation, the meaning, the "look", etc. By the way, where did you get those cuneiform images from?
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Post by sheshki on Feb 1, 2013 11:00:48 GMT -5
Thanks Šarraku! The cuneiform images are taken from our website www.enenuru.netgo to ->signlist Neo-Assyrian is on the right side of the table.
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Post by mariamateus on Mar 4, 2013 7:22:32 GMT -5
I'm Maria. I work within the professional astrological community. There is a movement by serious academically oriented professional astrologers, which began in the 1980s, to recover, translate and understand the ancient astrological texts from the perspective of an insider; i.e., from the perspective of those who employ traditional astrological techniques. My primary area of study has been Mesopotamian astrology, history and culture; I wrote my MA thesis on Mesopotamian cosmic geography under Wayne Horowitz and am currently working on independent research examining the significance of time and place in the SB version of Gilgamesh. I came upon this forum while tracking down J. Polonsky's dissertation. Glad to have found you.
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Post by symbolmonger on Mar 4, 2013 10:24:00 GMT -5
I am trying to se ehow this forum works before I post an Intro.
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Post by symbolmonger on Mar 4, 2013 10:41:13 GMT -5
Ok I see how it goes.I too am a professional in the astrological community.My name is Scott but you may also call me Symbol. I have studied Mesopotamian astrology a bit more than the culture and have been working with a teach yourself Sumerian text. I am familiar with Maria's work and also that of Rumen Kolev. As noted, there is a segment of the academic astrological community working on transmission issues as they relate to the influence of Mesopotamian astral omens/astrology upon subsequent development sin both Hellenistic and Hindu astrology. I am familiar on a limited basis with the work of Brown,Hunger, Koch-Westenholz, Pingree, Parpola, Reiner, Rochberg [formerly Rochberg-Halton], and Swerdlow. I look forward to exploring this site and ascending the learning curve further!
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