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Post by hukkana on Jun 7, 2017 11:52:22 GMT -5
Hello: I am a new enthusiast of Sumerian culture and am here to learn everything I can. There is much to know and I am glad many people have done the hard work for those of us who came late. Right now I am trying to figure out the difference between Babylon, Sumer, Akkadian, Mead, Persian, Elomite, etc. I am sure there is a lot of information here on those subjects. Then you should know it's Elamite. : P Kind of touchy on that subject. Take that as my welcome XD |
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Post by sheshki on Jun 7, 2017 15:30:06 GMT -5
Hey Rummah,
welcome on board. I´m sure you´ll find lots of information here. If not just ask, someone might know something.
sheshki
ps.: So funny Hukkana....
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Post by hukkana on Jun 8, 2017 3:11:54 GMT -5
Hey Rummah, welcome on board. I´m sure you´ll find lots of information here. If not just ask, someone might know something. sheshki ps.: So funny Hukkana.... What ? : P |
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Post by sheshki on Oct 26, 2017 18:18:34 GMT -5
A warm welcome to all our new members.
How about giving us a short introduction here so we know a little bit about you and your motivations/ interests.
Greetings
sheshki
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Post by samisnowhere on Nov 5, 2017 20:47:42 GMT -5
Hi, all. I’m Sam Jackson. I’m a member of the Temple of Sumer group on Facebook. I’ve been a lurker on this site for some time, but have only now created an account to interact with everyone as a member.
I enjoy solitary, devotional ritual and would love to organize meet-ups for Sumerian recons. I’ve led rituals and workshops for my local pagan community and am always open to discussing religion and spirituality with others. I strive to continually develop my religious/spiritual practice and learn as much as I can to inform it as richly as possible.
I find my practice oriented more around Inanna, Utu, Ningal, and Nanna, although I do worship the remaining members of the Seven Who Decree Fate.
I look forward to interacting with you. ^_^
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Post by nocodeyv on Nov 6, 2017 17:13:13 GMT -5
Welcome to Enenuru, Sam. I always enjoy meeting other Reconstructionists. I'm also one, although I'm nowhere near ready to actually practice yet; I'm still educating myself on everything Mesopotamian: trying to make sure I understand as much as I can about their practices before I try doing anything. There are several other Reconstructionists and polytheists on the boards though, so I'm sure there'll be interest in your insights.
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Nov 6, 2017 17:52:28 GMT -5
Hello samisnowhere: Welcome. You do indeed sound like the epitome of templeofsumer and/or Ed/Ryversylt incarnate. I used to be involved in that community (in a way). Nonetheless, it's worth mentioning that community and this one are quite distinct and operate with different objectives, which you likely noticed if you have been lurking. Most significantly, this was difference was laid out in 2012 in the following thread: enenuru.proboards.com/thread/434/posting-policy |
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Post by lilitudemon on Nov 9, 2017 14:19:49 GMT -5
I'm back. Had some personal issues. (Nothing to do with this board. It was irl issues with my life.)
I am happy to see Ene in academic format. I am not a recon nor have an intention of resurrecting any of that. Never have been really, concerning ANE studies.
I've found Asian studies in general to be an area of interest to me. Particularly, ANE but also India, China, etc. (I am not as interested in the modern Middle East as ancient.)
I finished a long essay series on Lilith/Lilitu. Did one with interpretating Inanna in modern perspectives. Run a ANE history blog with a friend promoting academia. (One of my favorite articles I did was on Kubaba, fascinating character she is!)
Recently came across a new book series on the evil eye offering a different Mesopotamian interpretation. Will be posting that soon!
Since I moved a few years back, I don't have all my Mesopotamian books yet. I do own that famous illustrated dictionary, "Inanna, lady of the largest heart", "The Hebrew Goddess 3rd enlarged edition", and "Beware the evil eye! Vol.1 [Egypt, bible, and Mesopotamia.].
Been really interested in Canaanites, Phoenicians, and Carthaginians as well lately. They seem to have much cross cultural contact with the Mesopotamians.
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Post by rynathee on Mar 10, 2018 12:40:06 GMT -5
Greetings everyone! I believe I failed to introduce myself when I first joined the board last November. I am a habitual lurker, my apologies for not posting an intro when I first joined. My background is in chemistry but I have a rabid fascination for ancient history, especially the ANE. I know little but I'm constantly working toward accumulating as much knowledge as I can. I want to extend a most heart felt and sincere thanks to the creators and contributors to this board. There is so much information and so many resources here, this place is invaluable to someone like me. I have the spent the last few months reading through the topics and posts in an effort to absorb as much as I can. I've only just scratched the surface, there is so much here. Thank you!! Now that I've made some little progress on reading, I hope to start asking questions soon.  *Ryn* |
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Post by sheshki on Mar 10, 2018 19:36:59 GMT -5
Welcome Ryn, nice to have you here. And hey, better a later introduction than none Greetings Sheshki |
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Mar 11, 2018 18:10:06 GMT -5
Hello Ryn:
Welcome to enenuru. Yes, the study of Mesopotamia is a big topic for sure. The question may be where do you start, and why do you start there? It should be noted that Mesopotamian society, aspects of its world view and religious belief, superstition, weren't so entirely different from our own until the enlightenment and the industrial revolution etc. began to radically change the modern West. Mesopotamian remains the touchstone for traditional urban societies, which we (in recent centuries) have ceased to be.
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Post by saga on Jul 16, 2018 8:24:47 GMT -5
Hi, I'm Santiago from Argentina and I became interested in cuneiform due to my interest to the Epic of Gilgamesh and anthropology in general. I enjoy learning the scripture, even though it is a very, very basic understanding of it. Thanks for having me here.
-Saga
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Post by ottawasumer on Mar 13, 2019 7:18:06 GMT -5
Hi all,
I have recently fallen in love with ancient Mesopotamia, specifically the Cuneiform writing system of Sumerian and Akkadian.
I have spent the last week reading, learning and attempting to make sense of the history of the Sumer region and its era's that follow.
I am glad to have found this messageboard, and hope that this post isn't in the wrong section.
I have exhausted most information on the web, read every wikipedia article and have dived deep into the CDLI project.
Throughout my search I have managed to find and order books/texts that were recommended to me via the CDLI project's PI whom has been an influential inspiration and literally lit a fire under my butt and created a passion I never thought I'd have.
Discovering this forum, I plan to soak up and learn as much as I possibly can, and look forward to seeing what information is available.
The reason for this post is to find out what other literature you would consider a must own or crucial publication in the knowledge of ancient Mesopotamia.
Currently I have in my collection:
Assyrisch-babylonische Zeichenliste (Alter Orient und Altes Testament) (German Edition)
Manuel D'epigraphie Akkadienne.: Sixieme Edition, Augmentee D'addenda (Manuels) (French Edition)
REPERTOIRE COMMENTE DES SIGNES PRESARGONIQUES SUMERIENS DE LAGAS - Yvonne Rosengarten
Introduction to Sumarian Grammar - Foxvog
An Akkadian Handbook - Miller
A grammar of Akkadian - Huehnergard, John
The Harps that once - Jacobsen
Sumer and the Sumerians - Crawford
A history of the ancient near east - Van de Mieroop
Epics of Sumerian Kings: The Matter of Aratta - H. L. J. Vanstiphout;Herman L. J.
Books that are extremely expensive or really hard to find but that I do plan to obtain maybe via pdf if all else fails:
Altbabylonische Zeichenliste: Der sumerisch-literarischen Texte - Catherine Mittermayer
An Introduction to the Grammar of Sumerian - Gábor Zólyomi
A Sumerian Reader (Studia Pohl: Series Maior) - Konrad volk
The Literature of Ancient Sumer - Jeremy Black
Are there any that I am missing that will cover topics not found in these listed books? Any that I have not listed that you have found interesting and worth a read?
As well, I am trying to find a large poster/printable image of Mesopotamia from 5500 BC~ when the Persian Gulf was further north and touched Ur, Uruk and Lagas.
I have yet to find anything that labels the cities and shows the geographical features of Mesopotamia from that era that shows the Persian Gulf's differentiation between today's current location.
Would anyone know where I could find such an item (if it does exist)?
And last but not least, what got you interested into Sumer, Akkadian, Babylonia and its neighbors during the era of ancient Mesopotamia?
Thank you for your time and I look forward to the discussion that are currently available, and those that will emerge in the future.
emqūtu -(ak)kunu (Akkadian - Wisdom to you) (I hope)
Cheers and thanks for your time
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Mar 18, 2019 9:03:00 GMT -5
Hello Ottawasumer:
Welcome to the board. It's good you have followed the recommended step of posting an introduction (which all newcomers are requested to do, but few end up doing). In terms of why I started an interest in Mesopotamia, I suppose there were numerous contributing factors. But there is no more perfect place to start should one want to study the development of human civilization and literature, as the cuneiform corpus (and its 3,000 year span) contains the root of all of that. As for a book recommendation, I would suggest Radner and Robson 2011 'The Oxford Handbook of Cuneiform Culture'. This book contains many up to date and authoritative discussions on various genres of Mesopotamian literature, the current 'state of the field' as it were. I notice many of the books you have acquired relate to the study of Akkadian or Sumerian. It is not impossible to self learn one or both of these languages, although the person who successfully does so is quite rare - this is because of the added complexity of the extremely difficult writing system. It is more difficult than self learning a modern language written in the Roman script (like English) because of cuneiform. It may be a good idea to study the culture and literature in translation for 6 months to one year, this gives one an instinct for what the texts might say to an extent; further, it would be best to try and initiate oneself into the methods and the terminology of the Assyriologist, attempting to gain access and familiarity with Assyiological journals etc. There is a distinct way Assyriologists describe language, their own terminology, which does not carry over from other fields such as linguistics. Then if inclined, pursue one of the languages after building some fundamental understandings.
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Post by sheshki on Mar 27, 2019 14:22:02 GMT -5
Welcome Ottawasumer!
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Post by iziannagi on Aug 30, 2019 3:53:35 GMT -5
Hello ! I french and I'm in love with Mesopotamian culture. I'm not an academic, and I have some basic books in french and in english : - The Harps that once, Jacobsen - The treasures of Darkness, Jacobsen - Manuel d'épigraphie akkadienne, Labat - Lorsque les dieux faisaient l'homme, Bottéro - La vie méconnue des temples mésopotamiens, Charpin - Dictionnaire de la civilisation mésopotamienne - La Mésopotamie, l'écriture, la raison et les dieux, Bottéro - Sumer et le sacré, Rosengarten - Sumerian Mythology, Kramer - La splendeur divine, Cassin - La magie chez les assyriens et les babyloniens, Contenau - Petite grammaire du sumérien + exercices corrigés, Bord - Inanna, Queen of heaven and earth, Wolkstein et Kramer - Lire et écrire à Sumer, Glassner - Mythes et rite de Babylone, Bottéro - L'érotisme sacré, Bottéro - Gods,Demons and Symbols in Ancient Mesopotamia, Black - Inanna, la déesse triomphante et vaincue dans la cosmologie sumérienne, Bruschweiler
- etc. And I have a collection of papers from Academia and Jstor. I am fascinated by Inanna and I very happy to discover this forum. |
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Post by sheshki on Sept 2, 2019 13:04:10 GMT -5
Welcome on board iziannagi!
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Sept 12, 2019 4:49:09 GMT -5
Hello iziannagi:
Welcome to the board. You are fortunate to be able to read French and so you are able to read Charpin in native language. A great scholar. While Jacobsen and Kramer are legends in the field and revered among assyriologists, their views are now outdated and can be misleading. The work by Kramer and Wolkstein should be avoided entirely (as I discuss elsewhere on the board, Kramer comes to regret lending his name to this book and associating with Wolkstein). As a lay person, your are in a better position than ever to access and read Assyriological works without having to travel to a university library (some have access options for the public). JSTOR is a great resource, as is academia.edu, search for the term academia.edu on this board for more on that. Best regards - Bill
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Post by geno on Sept 17, 2019 22:05:19 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I’m a sixth grade teacher and I briefly cover Mesopotamia given the short time that I have to teach, my limited knowledge, and the vast amount of material that I have to cover in the brief time that I have these students.
I was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma at the end of November, had a radical nephrectomy in January, and am grateful that I had a clean checkup about a month ago.
I was pointed here because I’m seeking help to get the script for a tattoo related to cancer. I think it would be of interest to my students as well.
After looking on here I’m overwhelmed by the knowledge of the members, and I think I’ve found the right space. Thank you all in advance for any help that you can give.
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Sept 21, 2019 11:03:50 GMT -5
Hello Geno
Welcome to the board. Good to hear that some elementary school kids are learning a little about Mesopotamia, doesn't happen in every school. As far as your tattoo request, I am currently deliberating what is possible to express in Sumerian and Akkadian.
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Post by hukkana on Sept 21, 2019 14:19:39 GMT -5
Welcome. Glad your checkout came out clean.
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Post by mortifer on Feb 4, 2020 7:51:33 GMT -5
Hello! My name is Dmitry, I'm 34 and I live in Russia, St. Petersburg.
My background is magic and music. I'm interested in ancient cultures and gods' cults and actually I have a music project one of the goal of which is praising Tiamat. I also aim to enrich my knowledge in Sumer and Mesopotamian world in general. It's great to meet a place like this one! I'll also contribute with anything I could.
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Post by dmtrdlt on Feb 5, 2020 10:41:11 GMT -5
Hello,
You've mentioned you have your background in magic, and that's what made me curious. I'm deeply interested in Mesopotamian magic tradition in particular. What type of magic were you talking about? Is it true Magic, or just some form of neo-paganism? So, can you explain me the point?
By the way, I'm russian too. Quite a piece of absurdity: two russian-speaking people conversating in english, though it would be dishonest towards the other forum members to speak russian.
Best regards,
Dmitry
(Sorry, if irrelevant for this tread)
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Post by mortifer on Feb 5, 2020 15:51:54 GMT -5
Hello! Yeah, it's a bit funny how two Russian Dmitries met here! However, I love not only ancient culture, but Western culture too including modern one. I have a lot of English-speaking friends and visited many countries. Regarding magic: I think it will be better to discuss it in proper thread, but in two words I may "introduce" myself here as well. It's actually a long story. In short I may say that I consider myself as a follower of Dark Tradition. Believes in Tiamat and the Evelen Dark Gods here play very important role, but I also tried to study as much cultures as I can and to earn as much different and true experience as I could. I think true magic can be found when you taste it with your blood and skin. When you actually feel Blood of Qingu and follow its call, learning to listen to it, can awake it and make it your guiding star. It can be said that what is happening to you on your path is a language of the gods and you can determine this way were your actions successful or not, are you is on the right way. Dreams are also great source of information in that meaning. After all in some way all the existence is just a dream of Tiamat and Apsu, isn't it? That's what I call "magic": an ability to go deep into the Abyss of primordial Gods and ability to understand them. And also ability to bring something here, into this world. Particulary for me is more important to serve Higher Power than have some physical "special effects" or tricks on physical plane. However, I still think everything should go through your life and skin, you should taste it to truly know it on as much concrete levels as possible and it's always amazing when it happens, touches you and other people. But more important is to listen and follow a guidance of Higher Power. To my shame I rarely use, for example, Sumer mantras or some original chants, ancient texts and things like that in my rituals. For me it's all very chaotic, more like a living process, a dance, sometimes a struggle, a real and live conversation with the divine. Of course magic is not only in rituals, there's a moment when it starts to cover all your life and sometimes you are being lost where is ritual and where is not. But doing "everything right" is also very important. What is right, I think, we can discuss next time in another thread But for now I may say this place could greatly help me to fill my spaces in knowledge of Sumer culture, magic, tradition and language. And probably I can share back what I was able to know from my experience. Also, don't worry, no matter I'm deeply religious person I'm not going to preach or to argue with someone or do some stupid things religious people usually do I think being open minded and can understand any possible point of view is also very important - just for any normal person. Only respect and friendship, only constructive and positive conversations. |
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Feb 28, 2020 0:45:23 GMT -5
Hey guys - I wasn't aware of your posts until recently. I'll write back this weekend and respond to the request there. Best regards - Bill
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Post by neonmitch on Mar 3, 2020 18:30:34 GMT -5
my name is mitch, this board was an incredible stumble for me. i have been researching surface level stuff for a little over 4 years now. i hope to skim the archives for any questions ive been asking myself for awhile now. i dont know anyone that i can discuss this stuff about!
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Post by sheshki on Mar 4, 2020 4:23:30 GMT -5
Hi Mitch,
welcome on board. I hope you find the information you seek.
A word of advice, we don´t do the whole Anunaki/Alien topic here, we try to approach topics academically.
Thank you.
Sheshki
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Post by redumur on Jul 1, 2020 21:55:34 GMT -5
Hello. I'm Redum Ur. I'm a practicing occultist with an obsession with middle eastern culture. My patron is Ishtar and for several months I've been establishing a relationship of love and worship to the goddess in hopes to free my life from the baneful astrological influences inherent in saturn and to improve my intelligence, strength, art and sex life
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Jul 3, 2020 11:39:05 GMT -5
Hello Redumur: Welcome to the board. You're welcome to read and learn what you can. Generally, discussion here focus on academic material and how this material can be used by the public for whatever purpose. For discussion on occultism and/or pagan reconstruction you could try and track down Ryversylt (a pagan reconstruction with a focus on Sumer - I used to chat to some thirteen years ago). One of his websites was: templeofsumer.wordpress.com/about/ |
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Post by kocore on Oct 5, 2020 4:04:05 GMT -5
Hi all. I came across this board something like two years ago when I was trying to research some Mesopotamian Philology, but never made a post until now. I have a biiiiiiit of a background in Arabic and general linguistics, but no specific knowledge of sumer / mesopotamian language or literature. To be honest, I'm mostly here to confirm whether my trans-transliteration (as in, finding the Cuneiform characters for a transliterated passage) is correct. The passage in question is from Emmerkar and the Lord of Arratta 136-140. I'd be super happy if someone could point me at the right sub-forum? And congrats to all for keeping the most ancient of ancient languages alive. (I gather that German is the second lingua franca here, so here goes) Hi an alle, Ich bin schon vor bestimmt zwei Jahren auf dieses Forum gestossen, aber hab bis jetzt nur alle paar Wochen mal reingeschaut. Ich hab einen ganz minimalen Hintergrund in Arabisch und einen... mjah... passablen Hintergrund in Allgemeiner Linguistik. Dass ich mich jetzt auf einmal melde hat ganz ehrlich gesagt allemvoran damit zu tun, dass ich gerne irgendjemanden fachkundigen fragen würde, ob meine Trans-Transliteration (also aus der Transliteration zurück in Cuneiform überführt) von Emmerkar and the Lord of Arratta 136-140 so stimmt (*hust* jaaaaa... es geht um ein Tattoo). Würde mich sehr freuen wenn mir jemand den Weg zum richtigen Subforum weisen könnte. |
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