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Post by mantramaha on Oct 11, 2009 15:09:26 GMT -5
hello to everyone here this is my first post to this forum i feel very frustrated and angry i'm sure you've heard this before, but how does sitchin manage to get away with all the nonsense that he publishes? and how / why do so many people believe him and help him to propagate his awful racist and totally mis-leading ideas? and why do serious scholars not do more about dis-crediting him? it's outrageous  mm |
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Post by afterviewer on Oct 11, 2009 16:22:35 GMT -5
Hey mantramaha, like your Sanscrit. New to the forum, myself. have only been aware of some of Sitchin's work for a short while but overall, considering the content of his research, I wonder what you mean by racist. Melvina Hoffman (Hall of Man) was called a racist for the research she was commissioned to perform by the Field Museum, circa: prior to WW2, but is that based on reality? If Sitchin was trying to mislead someone, then who? If you mean his leaning towards believing that humans are a genetically engineered race, it is not only Sitchin that is promoting this scenario. AV.
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Post by mantramaha on Oct 11, 2009 17:00:53 GMT -5
hi AV
what i meant by 'racist' is the fact that he states that sumerian gods were actually 'alien lizards'!
it's original but still racist imo
can u imagine if someone dared to say that about hindu gods or buddhist gods???
and the 'theory' keeps growing and deforming as it grows;
i don't know what his purpose is; maybe he believes his own ideas!
it's possible
but i do know that he is not respected amongst true scholars and although several of them have tried to discredit him they don't seem to be doing enough in that way
he basically picks phrases at random and 'translates' them in his own way out of context to support his ridiculous claims
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Post by madness on Oct 11, 2009 18:37:55 GMT -5
I would say that people are so desperate to believe in something from the stars (gods, aliens, whatever) that they will buy into anything that promises them the "truth."
Throw in ancient myth and biblical controversy, and it's sure to be a winner.
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Oct 11, 2009 18:56:20 GMT -5
Mantra:
Welcome to the forum, it is good to see you are on the right side of the tracks in regards Sitchen. You seem to understand what this particular author has to offer the academic world as well as the curious public.
The reason scholars do not respond or acknowledge Sitchen is that, basically, they have entirely different agendas. Scholars are people whose livelihood depends on academic achievement, intellectual accomplishment, and refining their profile to potential employers - there is competition to land one of the very limited and often under paying positions a professional Assyriologist of Sumerologist may feel some reward in gaining. No where in that narrow focus is their room for regarding a generally indifferent public, who stand little chance of having the interest level necessary to absorb what is often a problematic science. You won't find any Assyriological books in public bookstores - because people dont buy them. Sitchen's books and his agenda are usually found in the 'new age' section however. Different agendas is the short answer then.
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Post by mantramaha on Oct 12, 2009 6:23:25 GMT -5
thanku to madness and us4-he2-gal2 for such a quick response.
i do realize that researchers have agenda with a higher purpose and so they should
the 'new age' movement is huge and growing by the second and are usually easy prey for someone like sitchin
i am concerned however that there are not enough works by the reputable writers in the field
perhaps they need to re-consider their postion
perhaps someone needs to present their discoveries in a form which is more accessible to the general public who would not normally read a book on assyriology?
sitchin's movement continues to grow and now david icke is incorporating the former's 'findings' in his own 'mission'
even those who may be slightly sceptical of the whole thing may be inclined to believe at least part of it, if they can't easily find a viable alternative
i think serious scholars need to think about how to get their ideas into the mainstream so that their contribution is affecting human consciousness and not only fellow scholars and a relatively small number of those who are interested
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Post by madness on Oct 14, 2009 3:38:23 GMT -5
You'll notice that people with such absurd beliefs will defend their beliefs no matter what. You can try to disprove them, you can show them all the works of academia, they will simply accuse you of being a part of the conspiracy, whatever that means. I'm not so sure that the general public would really be all that enthusiastic, if all academic works were easily available they would probably be largely ignored |
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Post by mantramaha on Oct 14, 2009 6:52:38 GMT -5
thankyou for your reply madness everything you say is true pondering now on the possibility of a solution perhaps trying to counteract false claims is not the best way to go  |
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Post by xuchilpaba on Oct 16, 2009 17:25:13 GMT -5
can u imagine if someone dared to say that about hindu gods or buddhist gods??? Aryan invasion theory. The best thing is to present people with the truth and let them decide. |
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Post by mantramaha on Oct 20, 2009 12:13:39 GMT -5
to xuchhil.
i'm not going to get into a discussion about the 'truth'
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Post by alvean on Oct 23, 2009 15:58:02 GMT -5
I do like very much Sitchin and his books inspired me.
I decided to become an Assyriologist reading Sitchin when I was 14 and, ten years later, I still admire him.
I don't completely agree with all his ideas, but I think that he was really brave to publish them, he's a visionary, but he is also a good researcher, since his bibliography is, ofter, more accurate than the one that can be found in academical publications.
He gives a vivid idea of cultic life, he tells stories with "living" gods. This always happens in Egyptian Academical Workshops and nobody get shocked for this! that's a thing I really appreciate of him.
His last works are on scientific/galaxy discoveries, so they don't "offend" anyone.
And his gods are not "Lizards", since they are not of the Reptile Galactic Families, according to him we are the result of a mix between the dna of hominid and Anunnaki, so we are their very reflection. But I don't have the competence to discuss this, and, since I am a free person, I have the freedom to believe in what I want and, to me, this is a fascinating theory.
And remember: just because you don't believe in something or don't agree with it, it doesn't mean that that thing is complete rubbish. THIS is a form of intellectual racism.
And why discrediting him? Ignoring him is enough.
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Post by ninurta2008 on Apr 6, 2011 6:31:58 GMT -5
The Aryan invasion theory may or may not have been based in racism (it's actually based more in a term used to refer to Iran I thought?), but there is actually linguistic evidence that brought that theory to focus. The idea that the indoeuropean languages all descended from a common ancestor, isn't in of itself racist. Like with evolution, its a good theory with some shady past associations.
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Post by enkur on Apr 6, 2011 10:48:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't like to repeat myself as regards Sitchin, but again, he shows a poor taste for both mythology and fantasy genre. He just conducts the old agenda of Enoch's and other scriptures about the "fallen angels" who corrupted humanity, using the Sumerian mythos as an "evidence". Now the "fallen angels" are the evil alien exploiters.
As for racism, I would like to ask is there anything more racist than the Bible itself, and all the historic agenda based thereon? All the conspiracy theories as if come to hide the most open and brutal racism the world has ever confronted. How many cultures all over the world were destroyed in the name of the Biblical "God"? Who were the "fallen angels" and the devils if not the deities of the non-chosen peoples?
The theories of the Aryan supremacy, however, show almost the same bad taste. It's quite natural for each ethnic culture to regard itself as divine and better than the others but it's the monotheism which makes really morbid any such pretence, were it Semitic, or Aryan. The international Marxist atheism is quite the same plague, being an atheist monotheist cult however absurd it may sound - yes, it was a full absurdity for such like me who have survived its medieval-like repressive apparatus.
Well it's quite natural that when humanity is deprived of its pagan roots, which once gave a natural meaning to life, and given instead an artificial "God" with added soulless modern economic theories, it will turn its beliefs to the extraterrestrials. Sitchin speculates exactly with this human necessity, but his speculation is in the good old Biblical spirit.
Otherwise what's bad with the extraterrestrial hypotheses? The virus of life may well have come to the earth by some meteorite...
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Post by enkur on Apr 6, 2011 17:52:40 GMT -5
And what about this? www.zeitlin.net/EndEnchantment/Secrets.htmlI feel it goes farer and deeper than Sitchin, yet honestly said, I have no patience for it having somehow more interesting things to explore in the Sumerian mythos. |
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Post by ninurta2008 on Apr 6, 2011 22:17:10 GMT -5
The theories of the Aryan supremacy, however, show almost the same bad taste. It's quite natural for each ethnic culture to regard itself as divine and better than the others but it's the monotheism which makes really morbid any such pretence, were it Semitic, or Aryan. The international Marxist atheism is quite the same plague, being an atheist monotheist cult however absurd it may sound - yes, it was a full absurdity for such like me who have survived its medieval-like repressive apparatus. I don't mean the Aryan Supremacy idea, I mean the idea that the indoeuropean languages all have a common ancestor. And that the Indic languages arose from the IndoEuropean invasion of the Indian Subcontinent. Its a different idea. What's wrong with it? I think it's more likely that life originated here, in the deep sea. Alot of radiation out there in space. |
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Post by enkur on Apr 7, 2011 8:57:53 GMT -5
Nobody said you meant any Aryan supremacy idea  I tried to cover generally what is written in this Sitchin thread. Otherwise I agree with what you say about the common ancestor, and I tend to feel its presence around the Black Sea basin but in the moment I'm not very inclined to discuss about it here. Maybe a new thread is to be opened on this matter. I have written about the Indo-European branch of the Mesopotamian culture in my Hittite thread. As for life, who knows? |
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Post by mesopotamiankaraite on Feb 26, 2015 22:49:52 GMT -5
I bought his book "Genesis Revisited" and I put it down because he claimed Hebrew was a dialect of Akkadian. He clearly knows nothing and doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
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Post by enkur on Mar 3, 2015 15:57:08 GMT -5
Not Sitchin of course, but the inherent human need for knowledge and meaning of life other than what the establishment' science offers, is to be taken into account. Unfortunately there is no plausible alternative.
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Post by lilitudemon on Mar 7, 2015 2:17:26 GMT -5
There is an academic who was fed up with Stichin and felt the need to make a whole website devoted to what is wrong in those texts. Check it out: www.sitchiniswrong.com/ |
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Post by sheshki on Dec 2, 2015 19:28:15 GMT -5
Interesting article about the topic Nibiru The Marduk Star Nēbiru by Immanuel Freedman (2015) >>> link |
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I tried to cover generally what is written in this Sitchin thread. Otherwise I agree with what you say about the common ancestor, and I tend to feel its presence around the Black Sea basin but in the moment I'm not very inclined to discuss about it here. Maybe a new thread is to be opened on this matter. I have written about the Indo-European branch of the Mesopotamian culture in my Hittite thread. As for life, who knows? 
