Request for Help in Compiling Some Lists
Dec 16, 2020 10:43:27 GMT -5
Post by dagan on Dec 16, 2020 10:43:27 GMT -5
This is a message I wrote one user here who had been active somewhat recently (in the hope that they may be able to respond and be available to help). This is a call to anyone at all who may be able to help me with this task, I've over the years messaged numerous academics, professors, specialists, and very few have been able to provide me with much of any information or assistance on this matter. Looking at the content that has been posted here, I think that people who are part of this website, were part of this website, or may visit this website, may finally be able to help me complete this research or at least add to it so that I might finally have something more of a complete set of lists. My email is diversedivinities@gmail.com and please don't hesitate to email me these lists in their entirety if you have them or can put such together. This is my message which I wrote in the private messages to one member so far, but this is a public request to absolutely anyone at all who might be able to help with this thoroughly:
"Hello there! I'm not sure if you're still active on this website, but I was wondering if you could help me or direct me to some others who may be able to help me with a task that has been really quite difficult for me so far.
I've been trying, for some years now (and I don't know why it is so difficult to come by this information) to have a list of all the names of deities and then also demons or various entries in lists considered to be the names of spirits that were either prayed to or against by various people like those of Ugarit and Ebla and the Levant. Every list I seem to find is incomplete seeming with very few entries, but many others have mentioned that there should be 234, 260, even 460 and more names which I can't seem to find listed anywhere.
I've even purchased things in order to help me with this research, signed up to academic libraries, I don't know why this hasn't simply been put together and made widely available, it doesn't even seem like that enormous of a number or anything.
Often, when I ask for help online, I'm met with rude remarks or insults, so this whole thing has been really quite frustrating for me. I don't think it is impossible. I've kept at it for years and years now and continue to meet with a lot of disappointment.
So I'm wondering if you could help in finding, or compiling this list which finally puts together all identified or suspected or otherwise known names of deities, demons, spirits, heroes, or whatever else that might have been called upon or asked for protection from or against in the entire region, what people might called the "Semitic" pantheon to its greatest extent from all the various regions.
There are a few more lists which I've had a lot of trouble finding complete information on or listings, so I'll mention them here in case you can help me with these as well or might know anyone or any source that has them listed completely (also, if you can access these sources and create the list, that would be a tremendously useful and important thing which I think should be made widely available).
1. So the first list are all the "Semitic" or "Ugaritic" Gods and "Gods of Ebla" and whatever else in the region and whatever types such as demons or spirits and heroes included, that people list the numbers for but never seem to list out or mention, and the meanings of their names as far as the ones people think they have understood the meanings for.
2. The next list I've been looking for is a complete listing of all Constellations, their names and the meanings of the names or what they were imagined as looking like symbolically or associated with.
3. A complete listing of all Stars (including the planets) that were counted as worth mentioning and important enough to record, their names and meanings and associated symbols.
4. A complete listing of all known "City-States" in the region or listed in documents, their names and the meanings of the names, and if it is known or suspected as to what their chief local deity or "City God" or patron was for each.
5. A complete listing of all known "Tribes" and ethnic groups that may have been mentioned.
Also there are some further things which seem to also be mentioned in the Bible as well,
6. The 70 "Sons of Asherah" or El, which were seemingly assigned to 70 or 72 cities and people groups or tribes with one deity which may have also been associated to a star or constellation each, even the number is 69 or something close, this list would be greatly helpful (and no one seems to have put anything like it together).
7. The 70 or 72 or some number around there of Nations or Peoples considered important, listed, surrounding the area or part of it, considered the earliest or first or whatever is being spoken of by these people.
8. This may be beyond the scope of your own interest or research, but things in Jewish Angelology which may act as clues, for example in Jewish Angelology they associated "Dubhiel" or something, which means Bear El, to the Persians as the Angelic "Prince" of Persia, and that seems to link Ursa Major to Persia or Babylonia, which is more than likely to be something considered important to the people in the region since it is so near the Pole in the sky so many things appear to be rotating around this central axis.
Anyway, any help at all with these lists, most importantly a complete and thorough list of all the suspected Gods or Spirits identified in listings from places like Ugarit, Ebla, and across the whole region which use the Semitic language and may have had associations or have been syncretized with other languages and Gods from neighbors or conquerors or anything like that is the first and most important collection I have been trying to have a copy of for some years now. I don't know why it has been so difficult for me to find these listed, as they are casually mentioned as if there is a list somewhere but I can't find the list. I only find a few names mentioned repeatedly and then all the others mainly go unmentioned (I understand this may be due to their being no further information on them besides their name, and even their names might not have been understood yet or the etymology remains mysterious as well, but I still think the whole list should be put together if possible).
9. Once I have these lists collected, I want to see if there might be any information available (and if you know anything about this, that would help me greatly as well) which would help put together a matching of these:
1. Names of Spiritual Entities to
2. City-States they each represent or have as holdings or domains they are associated with to
3. Certain Founders and Ethnic Groups or Peoples associated to those cities, nations, tribes to
4. Trades and resources each may have been associated with and famed for to
5. Constellations and Particular Stars and Planets
6. Heraldry or "Totems" of certain symbols, objects, animals, and natural resources such as
Stones or Minerals, Dyes, Colors, Products, Activities which each were famed for or associated
So that one may be able to create at least a rough list that has each of those listed (even if they overlap) so as to provide some possible idea of how the people at the time may have organized their thinking regarding some of these things through sets of relations, themes, and correspondences that they may have mentioned in collected writings.
The lists that I have come by seem to be considered "hierarchal" in how they enumerate things, so I would also like to try to maintain that structure as well, even if multiple lists are used with overlapping entries.
So hopefully you can help me finally get a hold of all these names, their suspected meanings, their assumed pronunciation, and associations if any are known for each, whether its symbols through epithets, resources or trades a certain city is famed for, animal or object or profession associations with constellations, or whatever at all, anything may be helpful, and hopefully you have access to the information or know someone who might and could just finally end this long search by listing whatever at all you've come by and know of and directing me to anyone else who might have any of this or all of it. Thank you so much for reading and I really hope you'll be able to help somehow!"
"Hello there! I'm not sure if you're still active on this website, but I was wondering if you could help me or direct me to some others who may be able to help me with a task that has been really quite difficult for me so far.
I've been trying, for some years now (and I don't know why it is so difficult to come by this information) to have a list of all the names of deities and then also demons or various entries in lists considered to be the names of spirits that were either prayed to or against by various people like those of Ugarit and Ebla and the Levant. Every list I seem to find is incomplete seeming with very few entries, but many others have mentioned that there should be 234, 260, even 460 and more names which I can't seem to find listed anywhere.
I've even purchased things in order to help me with this research, signed up to academic libraries, I don't know why this hasn't simply been put together and made widely available, it doesn't even seem like that enormous of a number or anything.
Often, when I ask for help online, I'm met with rude remarks or insults, so this whole thing has been really quite frustrating for me. I don't think it is impossible. I've kept at it for years and years now and continue to meet with a lot of disappointment.
So I'm wondering if you could help in finding, or compiling this list which finally puts together all identified or suspected or otherwise known names of deities, demons, spirits, heroes, or whatever else that might have been called upon or asked for protection from or against in the entire region, what people might called the "Semitic" pantheon to its greatest extent from all the various regions.
There are a few more lists which I've had a lot of trouble finding complete information on or listings, so I'll mention them here in case you can help me with these as well or might know anyone or any source that has them listed completely (also, if you can access these sources and create the list, that would be a tremendously useful and important thing which I think should be made widely available).
1. So the first list are all the "Semitic" or "Ugaritic" Gods and "Gods of Ebla" and whatever else in the region and whatever types such as demons or spirits and heroes included, that people list the numbers for but never seem to list out or mention, and the meanings of their names as far as the ones people think they have understood the meanings for.
2. The next list I've been looking for is a complete listing of all Constellations, their names and the meanings of the names or what they were imagined as looking like symbolically or associated with.
3. A complete listing of all Stars (including the planets) that were counted as worth mentioning and important enough to record, their names and meanings and associated symbols.
4. A complete listing of all known "City-States" in the region or listed in documents, their names and the meanings of the names, and if it is known or suspected as to what their chief local deity or "City God" or patron was for each.
5. A complete listing of all known "Tribes" and ethnic groups that may have been mentioned.
Also there are some further things which seem to also be mentioned in the Bible as well,
6. The 70 "Sons of Asherah" or El, which were seemingly assigned to 70 or 72 cities and people groups or tribes with one deity which may have also been associated to a star or constellation each, even the number is 69 or something close, this list would be greatly helpful (and no one seems to have put anything like it together).
7. The 70 or 72 or some number around there of Nations or Peoples considered important, listed, surrounding the area or part of it, considered the earliest or first or whatever is being spoken of by these people.
8. This may be beyond the scope of your own interest or research, but things in Jewish Angelology which may act as clues, for example in Jewish Angelology they associated "Dubhiel" or something, which means Bear El, to the Persians as the Angelic "Prince" of Persia, and that seems to link Ursa Major to Persia or Babylonia, which is more than likely to be something considered important to the people in the region since it is so near the Pole in the sky so many things appear to be rotating around this central axis.
Anyway, any help at all with these lists, most importantly a complete and thorough list of all the suspected Gods or Spirits identified in listings from places like Ugarit, Ebla, and across the whole region which use the Semitic language and may have had associations or have been syncretized with other languages and Gods from neighbors or conquerors or anything like that is the first and most important collection I have been trying to have a copy of for some years now. I don't know why it has been so difficult for me to find these listed, as they are casually mentioned as if there is a list somewhere but I can't find the list. I only find a few names mentioned repeatedly and then all the others mainly go unmentioned (I understand this may be due to their being no further information on them besides their name, and even their names might not have been understood yet or the etymology remains mysterious as well, but I still think the whole list should be put together if possible).
9. Once I have these lists collected, I want to see if there might be any information available (and if you know anything about this, that would help me greatly as well) which would help put together a matching of these:
1. Names of Spiritual Entities to
2. City-States they each represent or have as holdings or domains they are associated with to
3. Certain Founders and Ethnic Groups or Peoples associated to those cities, nations, tribes to
4. Trades and resources each may have been associated with and famed for to
5. Constellations and Particular Stars and Planets
6. Heraldry or "Totems" of certain symbols, objects, animals, and natural resources such as
Stones or Minerals, Dyes, Colors, Products, Activities which each were famed for or associated
So that one may be able to create at least a rough list that has each of those listed (even if they overlap) so as to provide some possible idea of how the people at the time may have organized their thinking regarding some of these things through sets of relations, themes, and correspondences that they may have mentioned in collected writings.
The lists that I have come by seem to be considered "hierarchal" in how they enumerate things, so I would also like to try to maintain that structure as well, even if multiple lists are used with overlapping entries.
So hopefully you can help me finally get a hold of all these names, their suspected meanings, their assumed pronunciation, and associations if any are known for each, whether its symbols through epithets, resources or trades a certain city is famed for, animal or object or profession associations with constellations, or whatever at all, anything may be helpful, and hopefully you have access to the information or know someone who might and could just finally end this long search by listing whatever at all you've come by and know of and directing me to anyone else who might have any of this or all of it. Thank you so much for reading and I really hope you'll be able to help somehow!"