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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Oct 27, 2008 13:28:43 GMT -5
Nippur (Nibru) Ziggurat: E-tu-hur-sag (House of the Mountain wind) E-kur (House which is a Mountain) - Enlil E-Tummal (Tummal House) - Ninlil E-melem-hush (House of terrifying radiance) - Nuska *Shrine* Esh-mah; (Magnificent shrine) E-me-ur-ana (House which gathers the divine powers of heaven) E-shu-me-sha (House which …… the divine powers) - Ninurta *Shrine* E-igi-shugalam (House in front of Shugalam) Dur-an-ki - Inanna E-akkil-duku (House of Lamentation, pure mound) - Ninshubar (?) - Ninimma *Shrine* E-igi-hush-a (House of the angry eye)
Local Cults Enlil (God of Wind) - Son of An & Head of the Pantheon Ninlil - Wife of Enlil Ninurta / Pabilsag / Ningirsu (God of Agriculture/War) - Son of Ninmah Nuska (God of Fire & Light) Gibil (God of heat) - Son of Nuska
Eridu (Eridug) E-unir (House which is a ziqqurat) - Enki E-engura (House of the subterranean waters) - Enki *Shrine* E-du-kug (House which is the holy mound) - Enki E-kug-nuna - Innana as Ninegala Kuara District ; (?) - Asarluhi
Local Cults Enki (God of Wisdom) Asarluhui (God of Magic) - Son of Enki/Ninki Enbililu (God of Canals) - Son of Enki/Ninki Isimud/Usmu (Minister to Enki) - A minor deity who served Enki
Bad-tibira E-mush-kalam-ma (House, Foundation of the Land) - Dumunzid *Shrine* E-du-shuba (House, Mound of the Shepherd) (?) - Lulal/laratak
Local Cults Dumuzid (God of Shepards) - Husband of Inanna Lulal/laratak (?)
Larak (?) - Pabilsag E-ash-te (House of the Throne) - Gula-Bau
Local Cults Ninurta / Pabilsag / Ningirsu (God of Agriculture/War) - Son of Ninmah
Sippar (Zimbir) E-nun-ana (House of the prince of heaven) - Utu
Local Cults Utu (God of the Sun) - Son of Nanna-Suen, Brother of Inanna
Shurruppak (Shurrupag) (?) - Ki
Local Cults Ki (Godess of the Earth) - possibly the same as Ninhursaga
Kish *Ziggurat* -Eanurkitushmah (House of the Horrizon, Exhalted Abode)
E-dub (Storage house) - Zababa *Sanctuary* E-inim-Kuga (House of the pure word) Hursag-kalama - Inanna
Local Cults Zababa (God of War) Belet-Eanna
Uruk (Unug/Eresh) E-an-ki - An E-ana (House of heaven) - Inanna E-zagin (Lapis lazuli house) - Nisaba E-mulmul (House of Stars) - Nisaba
Local Cults An (God of Heaven) - Father of Enlil & Enki Inanna (Godess of Love) - Daughter of Nanna-Suen Nisaba (God of Writing) -
Ur (Urim) E-mud-kura - Nanna E-kish-nu-gal (House sending light to the earth (?)) - Nanna E-mu-mah (House with a magnificent name) - Šulgi E-hursag (House which is a hill) - Šulgi E-Dilmuna - Inanna E-nig-gina (House of Truth) - Ningishzida Agrun-kug - Ningal E-namtila - Enlil E-nutura - Ninhursaga
Local Cults Nanna-Suen (God of the Moon) - Son of Enlil Ningal - Wife of Nanna Shulgi - Deified King of the Ur III Dynasty Ningishzida - Son of Ningzu, Husband of Geshtinanna
Adab E-mah (Exalted house) - Ninhursaga E-suga (Joyous (?) house) - Ninhursaga E-shara - Inanna
Local Cults Ninhursaga (Godess of the Earth)
Akshak Anzagar - Inanna
Mari (?) - Dagon
Local Cults Dagon (God of Grains)
Agade (?) - Aba/Ilba Ulmash - Inanna
Local Cults Aba/Ilba (God of War)
Isin Eurgira - Gula-Bau
Local Cults Gula-Bau/Ninisin (Godess of Healing)- Daughter of An & Urash Damu (God of Medicine) SonNinurta & Gula-Bau Gunura - Daughter of Ninurta & Gula-Bau
Larsa (Larsam) E-babbar (Shining house) - Utu
Local Cults Utu (God of the Sun) - Son of Nanna-Suen, Brother of Inanna Sherida - Wife of Utu
Umma E-bur-sigsig (House with beautiful bowls) - ? E-mah; (Magnificent house) - Shara Ibgal - Inanna
Local Cults Shara (God of War)
Lagash E-ninnu (House of 50) - Ninurta E-Bagara (?) - Gatamdug (also Ninurta?) Sirara District; (?) - Nanshe Girsu District ; Eshdam-kug - Gishbare E-bad-bar-ra (House of the Outer Wall) - Ningishzida E-Bab-bar - Utu E-agasulim (House of Radiance) - Nanshe E-anna - Innana E-antasurra (House which twinkles from heaven) - Ninurta E-ama-lamma - (?)
Local Cults Gatamdug Ninurta / Pabilsag / Ningirsu (God of Agriculture/War) - Son of Ninmah Nanshe (God of Fishing & Divination) Baba Igalim Shulshaga Dumuziabzu Geshtinanna (God of viniculture) Meslamtaea Ninazu Nindara Ningishzida - Son of Ningzu, Husband of Geshtinanna Ninhursag Ninshubur Hendursag Nindub Gishbare Ninmar
Kutha E-gishkeshda-kalama (House which is the bond of the Land) - Nergal E-shenumun (House of the seed) - Lulal Esh-urgal - Ereshkigal (House, Great City) (?) - Ennugi (Underworld / Irrigation) (?) - Namtar (Minister of Ereshkigal) Meshlam District E-Meshlam (House of the Marduk of the Netherworld) - Nergal
Local Cults Nergal/Gugulanna/Meslamta-ea - (God of the Underworld) Ereshkigal (Goddess of the Underworld) - Daughter of Nanna-Suen Ennugi (Underworld / Irrigation) Namtar (Minister of Ereshkigal) Lulal (God of guarding doorways)
Zabalam E-sherzi-guru (House clad in splendour) - Inanna Giguna - Inanna
Der E-dim-gal-kalama (House which is the great pole of the Land) - Sataran/Ishtaran
Local Cults Sataran/Ishtaran (God of Judgements)
Eshnunna E-sikil (Pure house) - Ninazu
Local Cults Ninazu - Daughter of Ereshkigal
Kazallu Kun-satu (Threshold of the mountain) - Numushda
Local Cults Numushda - Son of Nanna, his daughter married Martu
Karkara E-uggalgim - Ishkur
Local Cults Ishkur - God of Weather
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Oct 27, 2008 13:29:58 GMT -5
Temples located in settlements that I don't recognize
E-Gishbanda (House of Gishbanda) at Gishbanda - Ningishzida
Hursag-kalamma E-kur-nizu - Ninlil E- [...] - Bizilla
Kisiga Amaš-kuga - Inanna
E-ĝa-duda (House, chamber of the mound) Du-saĝ-dili (Singular mound) the house of Šu-zi-ana in Ĝa-gi-maḫ.
E-gud-du-šar (House with numerous perfect oxen) Ĝa-bura (Chamber of bowls) the house of Ningublaga in Ki-abrig.
Kar-zida (Pure quay) the house of Nanna in Gaeš.
Gudua (Entrance to the nether world) E-gida (Long house) the house of Ninazu in Enegir.
E-igizu-uru (House, your face is mighty) E-akkil (House of lamentation) the house of Ninšubur in Akkil.
E-ĝalga-sud (House which spreads counsel far and wide), the house of Bau in Iri-kug.
E-ab-šaga-la (House which stretches over the midst of the sea) the house of Ninmarki in Gu-aba.
E-igi-kalama (House which is the eye of the Land) the house of Lugal-Marda in Marda.
E-ĝiškešda-kalama (House which is the bond of the Land) Ud-šuš (Sunset) the house of Nergal in Gudua.
E-ab-lua (House with teeming cattle) the house of Suen in Urum.
E-ḫursaĝ (House which is a mountain) the house of Ninḫursaĝa in …….
the house of Dumuzid-abzu in Kinirša. the house of Ningirim in Murum.
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Oct 27, 2008 13:51:09 GMT -5
Temple Names found at the ETCSL
A Abzu abzu temple name 43 Agrun-kug agrun-kug temple name 8 Amaš-e-kug amaš-e2-kug temple name 1 Amaš-kuga amaš-kug-ga temple name 1 Ane-ĝara an-ne2-ĝar-ra temple name 1 Anzagar an-za-gar3 temple name 2 Ašte aš-te temple name 1
B Bagara ba-gara2 temple name 3 Barag-dur-ĝara barag-dur2-ĝar-ra temple name 1 Bur-šušua bur-šu2-šu2-a temple name 1
D Du-barag-gal-maḫ du6-barag-gal-maḫ temple name 5 Du-kug du6-kug temple name 1 Du-saĝ-dili du6-saĝ-dili temple name 2 Du-ur du6-ur2 temple name 2 Dubla-maḫ dub-la2-maḫ temple name 4 Dur-an-ki dur-an-ki temple name 16
E E-ab-lua e2-ab2-lu-a temple name 1 E-abšaga-la e2-ab-šag4-ga-la2-a temple name 1 E-abzu e2-abzu temple name 1 E-akkil e2-akkil temple name 1 E-ama-lamma e2-ama-lamma temple name 7 E-ana e2-an-na temple name 105 E-babbar e2-babbar2 temple name 13 E-bagara e2-ba-gara2 temple name 1 E-bur-sigsig e2-bur-sig7-sig7 temple name 1 E-danna e2-danna settlement name 3 E-Dilmuna e2-dilmun-na temple name 2 E-dim-gal-kalama e2-dim-gal-kalam-ma temple name 1 E-dima e2-dim3-ma temple name 1 E-du-kug e2-du6-kug temple name 2 E-dub e2-dub temple name 1 E-duga e2-dug3-ga temple name 5 E-engura e2-engur-ra temple name 10 E-ešdam-kug e2-eš2-dam-kug temple name 2 E-gida e2-gid2-da temple name 2 E-gud-du-šar e2-gud-du7-šar2 temple name 1 E-ĝa-duda e2-ĝa2-du6-da temple name 1 E-ĝa-ĝiš-šua e2-ĝa2-ĝiš-šu2-a temple name 3 E-ĝalga-sud e2-ĝalga-sud temple name 2 E-ĜEŠTUG.NISABA e2-ĜEŠTUG2.NISABA temple name 8 E-ĝipar e2-ĝi6-par4 temple name 2 E-ĝiškešda-kalama e2-ĝiš-keše2-da-kalam-ma temple name 1 E-ḫamun e2-ḫa-mun temple name 2 E-ḫursaĝ e2-ḫur-saĝ temple name 5 E-ḫuš e2-ḫuš temple name 1 E-igi-kalama e2-igi-kalam-ma temple name 1 E-igi-šu-galam e2-igi-šu-galam temple name 1 E-igizu-uru e2-igi-zu-u18-ru temple name 1 E-Iri-kug e2-iri-kug temple name 2 E-itida-buru e2-itid-da-buru14 temple name 2 E-kiš-nu-ĝal e2-kiš-nu-ĝal2 temple name 53 E-kug-nuna e2-kug-nun-na temple name 1 E-kur e2-kur temple name 228 E-maḫ e2-maḫ temple name 12 E-me-ur-ana e2-me-ur4-an-na temple name 1 E-me-urur e2-me-ur4-ur4 temple name 2 E-melem-ḫuš e2-me-lem4-ḫuš temple name 2 E-mešlam e2-meš3-lam temple name 2 E-mu-maḫ e2-mu-maḫ temple name 1 E-mud-kura e2-mud-kur-ra temple name 8 E-muš e2-muš3 temple name 2 E-muš-kalama e2-muš3-kalam-ma temple name 4 E-namtila e2-nam-til3-la temple name 16 E-ni-guru e2-ni2-guru3 temple name 1 E-niĝara e2-niĝ2-ĝa2-ra temple name 1 E-ninnu e2-ninnu temple name 60 E-nun e2-nun temple name 2 E-nun-ana e2-nun-an-na temple name 2 E-nutura e2-nu-tur-ra temple name 1 E-puḫruma e2-pu-uḫ2-ru-um-ma temple name 1 E-saĝ-ila e2-saĝ-il5-la temple name 1 E-sara e2-sar-ra temple name 1 E-sikil e2-sikil temple name 6 E-sila e-su-la temple name 1 E-Sirara e2-sirara6 temple name 1 E-suga e2-sug4-ga temple name 1 E-šag-ḫula e2-šag4-ḫul2-la temple name 1 E-šara e2-šar-ra temple name 2 E-šeg-meše-du e2-šeg12-me-še3-du7 temple name 1 E-šenšena e2-šen-šen-na temple name 1 E-šerzid-guru e2-še-er-zid-gur3-ru temple name 1 E-šu-me-ša e2-šu-me-ša4 temple name 19 E-tar-sirsir e2-tar-sir2-sir2 temple name 7 E-temen-ni-guru e2-temen-ni2-guru3 temple name 8 E-tilla-maḫ e2-tilla2-maḫ temple name 1 E-Tummal e2-tum-ma-al temple name 1 E-tur-kalama e2-tur3-kalam-ma temple name 1 E-uduna e2-udun-na temple name 1 E-Ulmaš e2-ul-maš temple name 1 E-unir e2-u6-nir temple name 8 E-uru-ga e2-uru18-ga temple name 1 E-zagin e2-za-gin3 temple name 11 Egal-edina e2-gal-edin-na temple name 2 Egal-maḫ e2-gal-maḫ temple name 13 Entum-galzu en-tum2-gal-zu temple name 1 Eš-maḫ eš3-maḫ temple name 8 Ešdam-kug eš2-dam-kug temple name 1
G Giguna gi-gun4-na temple name 4 Gu-ena-ida gu2-en-na-id2-da temple name 1
Ĝ Ĝa-apina ĝa2-apin-na temple name 1 Ĝa-bura ĝa2-bur-ra temple name 2 Ĝa-gi-maḫ ĝa2-gi-maḫ temple name 1 Ĝa-ĝiš-šua ĝa2-ĝiš-šu2-a temple name 7 H Ḫal-an-kug ḫal-an-kug temple name 3 Ḫursaĝ-galama ḫur-saĝ-galam-ma temple name 4 Ḫursaĝ-kalama ḫur-saĝ-kalam-ma temple name 3
I Ibgal ib-gal temple name 4 Innam-gidazu in-nam-gid2-da-zu temple name 1 Iri-gal iri12-gal temple name 3 Iri-nanam iri-na-nam temple name 1
K Kar-asar kar-a-sar temple name 1 Kar-ĝeština kar-ĝeštin-na temple name 4 Kar-zagina kar-za-gin3-na temple name 6 Kar-zida kar-zid-da temple name 4 Ki-ur ki-ur3 temple name 39 Kun-satu kun4-sa-tu temple name 2 Kura-igi-ĝal kur-ra-igi-ĝal2 temple name 1
M Ma-gu-ena ma-gu2-en-na temple name 2 Mešlam meš3-lam temple name 2
N Niĝin-ĝar niĝin3-ĝar temple name 3 Niĝin-ĝar-kug niĝin3-ĝar-kug temple name 1 Numunbura numun2-bur-ra temple name 1 P Pada-nunus pad3-da-nu-nus temple name 1
Š Šeg-kuršaga šeg12-kur-šag4-ga temple name 5
T Tar-sirsir tar-sir2-sir2 temple name 2 Tiraš ti-ra-aš2 temple name 2 Tummal tum-ma-al temple name 20
U Ubšu-unkena ub-šu-unken-na temple name 14 Ud-šuš ud-šu2-uš temple name 1
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Oct 30, 2008 11:25:53 GMT -5
Unfortunately I do not have full access to "The Temples of Ancient Mesopotamia" by A.R George [1993], all I have is the small portions provided by google books. Most of the temples I have taken note of either from the temple hymn or from individual mentions of temple names from various sources.
In specific some thing I would really like to know are:
- Are my identifications of the three temples of Enki at Eridu correct? The temple hymn makes it sound like all three are to Enki but that leaves me without names for the temples of Ninki & Enbililu who are supposed to have local temples there.
- What was the name of the temple of An in Uruk? I read it was located in the Kullaba district of the city, perhaps this was the name of the temple?
- What was the names of the temple Geshtinanna in Lagash?
- What was the name of the temple of Ereshkigal in Kutha?
- Who was Lulal/laratak, the patron god of Bad-Tibira?
Here are some deities of note I'm still trying to locate temples for:
Alala (Harvest Songs) Ashnan (God of Grain) Baba (Lady of Fertility) Ennugi (Underworld / Irrigation) Gushkin-Banda (God goldsmiths) Hendursanga (Herald / Security Guard of the Gods) Kulla (Mudbricks) Ningirin "Lady of Incantations" Ninildu (Carpenty) La-Tarak (God of guarding doorways) Ninmar - vizer/divine messenger for An/Inanna Ninsun - Mother of Dumunzi Numushda - Son of Nanna, his daughter married Martu Nungal (Netherworld goddess) Shulpae - Husband of Ninhursaga Tashmetu - Wife of Nabu Tutu- (Creation Deity) Uttu - (God of Weaving) Ninkasi (brewing)
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Post by madness on Oct 31, 2008 2:44:16 GMT -5
> Are my identifications of the three temples of Enki at Eridu correct? <
Looks right to me. é.du6.kù is a shrine of Enki in é.abzu(=é.engur.ra) at Eridu. é.u6.nir is his ziggurat at Eridu.
> What was the name of the temple of An in Uruk? <
75 é.an.na, "House of Heaven" 1, temple of Anu and Inanna/Ištar in Uruk
> What was the name of the temple of Ereshkigal in Kutha? <
288 èš.urugalx(ÈŠxGAL.gal), "House, Great City," temple of Ereškigal in Kutha
> Ninki / Damgalnuna - Wife of Enki <
Enki-Ninki (chthonic ancestors of Enlil) are to be kept separate from Enki/Ea of Eridu
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Oct 31, 2008 12:07:40 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Nov 2, 2008 18:55:15 GMT -5
Ummia: Lovely effort with this temple name stuff, really some hands on here! With you sort of determination we might just make a utility out of this information such as can be used on enenuru.net One thing I am curious of is your sources - of course I know they are good and recognize all thes names as authentic, however as standard practive we need those sources to present information, without which new information can be dismissed to easily as unofficial by the reader. So your third post comes from the ETCSL but the first and second? About the second post (Temples I dont recognize)/ Gishbanda - the is the cult center of Ningishzida, although it has never been discovered in modern days. The E-Gishbanda was the temple of Ningishzida. E-kur-nizu - Ninlil : This probably was in someway Ninlil`s cult center at the E-kur. The E-Kur being the temple of Enlil, though it was shared closeing with his wife Ninlil. Šu-zi-ana in Ĝa-gi-maḫ: Šu-zi-ana is an interesting one - you will probably not in the myth ENKI AND NINMAH that she is one of the birth goddesses who gives birth to mankind in that Sumerian story of creation. I have wondered about her in the past, and I believe now that the poet who composed Enki and Ninmah borrowed this goddess from the local of Nippur - somehow, Šu-zi-ana seems to be mixed up in the theology of the Du-ku which we know from Sara`s work was located near the tummal complex which itself was outside Nippur proper but deeply connected with Nippurian cultic activtives, Jacobsen has said that Šu-zi-ana is to be connected with the local of Nippur and to be the concubine of Enlil. As the temple hymns relate she is "Šu-zi-ana, the junior wife of Father Enlil" and she is said to be the singular lady, of the Du-saĝ-dili [singular mound] which is the foundation of the 'E-ga-duda' [chamber of the mound]. I would suspect this is part of the Du-ku or Sacred Mound. Cohen's Cultic Calendar's mentions a Nippur text which refers to the ezem-gis-gi, "The festival of the canebrake" which lists sacrifices as "1 grain-fed ox for Enlil and 1 grain-fed cow for Su-zi-ana...provisions for the festival of the Canebrake." The temple hymn concludes " 9 lines: the house of Šu-zi-ana in Ĝa-gi-mah." Perhaps the 'gi' [reed/cane] in the name of this location can be seen to correlate to the ezem-gis-gi festival. There is much that remains obscure about this deities and her cultic and mythological aspects. Gudua: You have two mentions of Gudua in this post - once for Ninazu and once Nergal. Referring to Katz 2003 work on the netherworld, I see that the word gu2-du8-a (gudua) is ACTUALLY a phonetic writing for the city name Kutha - the signs can be read one way but are meant to say Kutha. And so it is Nergals northern city of Kutha that is referenced. As confusing as it is, the Temple hymns were composed in the Sargonic era, a time when the Semities were in power and when their religious concepts were finding analogies in the Sumerians religon - thus Nergal of the north and Ninazu of the south were compared, and in this hymn Ninazu temple is called Gudua (Kutha) - like the Kutha of the south. E-Hursaga : Though broken, the locality here was probably supposed to be Kesh, the city of Ninhursaga. The location is unfortunatly undiscovered in modern times. the house of Ningirim in Murum: Ningirim or Ningimmia is a special deity in the incantaiton lore, the early goddess of incantations associated especially with Enki and Eridu. I had mentioned a small amount about this on This thread but have not followed up on Ningirimma as I`d like to as yet. I believe Murum as auxillary to Eridu, closeby by like Asalluhi`s Kuara. This is the goddess you are looking for when spelling Ningirin gotta run fo now -will see if I have answers to other questions to Nice work man!
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Nov 3, 2008 13:34:35 GMT -5
Here is how I went about compiling this list: I started with the temple hymns and I edited it down to just the temple names and the city-states they are located it in. Then I pulled out all the names of cities that I recognized and reorganized it according to the order they appear in kings list (well sort of). The remaining entries I left in their temple hymn format and posted as my second post. I then edited down the list of proper names at the ETCSL to just temple names. I started searching each temple name at the ETCSL to see if any of the uses reveal the location of the temple and the god it belongs to. There were a few other entries that were very reveling. For instance a balbale to Inanna: etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?text=t.4.07.6#This gives you a walk through of many temples of Inanna. Other examples I found useful were the lamentations. They often have lines that read like: "Divine Name" left the "Temple Name" and so "Settlement Name" fell into despair... The lengthy list of gods found under my Lagash entry I found from the free excerpt at google books for: Gudea's Temple Building: The Representation of an Early Mesopotamian Ruler in Text and Image (Library Binding) by C. E. Suter (Author) An excellent book! However it simply mentions that these are gods were worshiped at Lagash with no mentions of temple names for any of them that were available. My only other source has been the free excerpts provided at google books for: "The Temples of Ancient Mesopotamia" by A.R George [1993]. This should be a lot more useful tool, however the most relevant part of the book to me (temples by city state) is exactly the part of the book google omits! I'm still searching through this one though so I expect to make further use of this tool. It should be noted I made this list as a quick reference tool for referencing temples while writing my stories. It is by no means an attempt to make a complete temple guide which is a task well beyond my current resources. I'm just trying to identify the patron deities and major cult centers and I'm including smaller temples and shrines when available to me. I found that while writing my stories I kept referencing temples and I would have to stop and read through the temple hymns to find the entry I was looking for. Since one of the first things I did when I started studying Sumer was memorize the kings list, I figured I should make a quick-reference chart formated in the order of the kings list so I could quickly look up a temple name. Also it should be noted that I have intentionally attempted to omit temples of Semitic gods and have tried to focus on cities that are located in the south. For example; today I deleted my entry for the E-sulim-anna (House whose radiance is exhaled) located in Kish. It was dedicated to Belet-Eanna a god I was previously unfamiliar with and now after looking into I have identified as a Semitic deity. Sometimes Sumerian/Akkadian distinctions like this become blurred, especial in northern cities like Kish (Kish is about as far north as I'm looking into) Especially during post-Sargonic times. Mari and Eshnunna are the only two exceptions I wanted to make to this rule. It is an arbitrary decision but I had to draw the line somewhere because I didn't want to go into Babylonian/Assyrian temples...I don't know. Right now my main focus is in learning more about Bad-tibira. The temple hymns reference the temple there as: E-mush (House which is the precinct) - Dumuzid However in "Inana's descent to the nether world" The temple their is identified as: E-mush-kalama - Lulal (Kramer translated the name of this deity as "laratak" and identified this deity as the patron god of bad-tibira not Duminzi as I have usually seen it.) It is assumable to me that the E-mush and E-mush-kalama were the same temple. However I can't find information on Lulal anywhere.
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Nov 3, 2008 13:47:39 GMT -5
The thing that puzzels me about Kutha being identified as Gudua is that I alreay have the temple name for Nergal at Kutha identified as:
E-mešlam (House of the Marduk of the Netherworld) not E-ĝiškešda-kalama (House which is the bond of the Land)
Could there be two temple names or two seperate temples in Kutha?
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Nov 4, 2008 19:55:53 GMT -5
Ummia: Wow - great effort to sort these things out! This is just awesome I do have George`s book at the library and should be able to get you that section shortly - Im not sure how long that particular section is and so will see tommorow. About the difficulty with Nergal`s cult center we must note that at least in the relevant period, it was definitely in Kutha. Mešlam was a district within Kutha just as Girsu was a district within Lagash. And we have to note the confusing point that Gudua is one way to read the text which more often is read Kutha - Gudua or Kutha, same city. Mešlam was its district. For your information your are relying here on Temple Hymn number 36, which reads: 457-466. O E-ĝiškešda-kalama (House which is the bond of the Land), bull …… great strength among the gods, terrifying wild cow, wild bull which causes lament, Gudua, your quay is a low quay which bestows water, your interior is artfully built, your mace is a …… mace released from heaven, your platform is a lustrous platform spreading over Mešlam. Your prince, the mighty god, the sovereign of Mešlam, the fierce god of the underworld, the sovereign of Ud-šuš (Sunset), Nergal, Mešlamta-ea, has erected a house in your precinct, and taken his seat upon your dais. 467. 10 lines: the house of Nergal in Gudua.
Katz comments directly on this passage and says: "Since Emeslam is not invoked in the hymn, we should first consider the possibility that é-g̃iš-kéš-da-kalam-ma occurs in the Old Babylonian temples list.. Emeslam is attested earlier in the very same list.. Therefore, at least theoretically, they should be regarded as different temples. It is possible that é-g̃iš-kéš-da-kalam-ma is not an epithet, but the name of the temple to which the hymn was originally devoted. This possibility can elucidat the problem of Emeslam not being invoked in the hymn and can explain why Meslamtaea is note mentioned beside Nergal in the closing formula... This means that in the Old Akkadian period é-g̃iš-kéš-da-kalam-ma was a temple of Nergal and that Temple Hymn no. 36 was dedicated to it. " So in summing, Katz thinks yes, there were to temples. One was E-meslam, this temple was in the district of Meslam which is in Kutha (Gudua). She believe Nergal took this temple over from the earlier god, Meslamtaea, at an early date when he was transfered from his archaic kult center (location unknown). In addition, she believes that textual evidence from temple hymn 36 indicate he has a second temple in Meslam, é-g̃iš-kéš-da-kalam-ma. Confusing stuff..
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Nov 5, 2008 13:31:01 GMT -5
ah so I see, it was a district of the city...confusing stuff indeed! Also of interest to me is that in later times Mashkin-Shapir was a cult center of Nergal and the temple there was also called E-meslam I'm wondering if the rest of the underworld cult of Kutha was mirrored here in later periods, Ereshkigal for instance. I haven't had a chance to look into this yet but today at google I found this title I'm going to look over to see if I can find any temple related information: "The Anatomy of a Mesopotamian City: Survey and soundings at Mashkin-Shapir" by Elizabeth Caecilia Stone, Paul E. Zimansky, Piotr
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Nov 6, 2008 22:12:46 GMT -5
Ummia: I am at the library tonight and have had chance to lay hands on George's "House Most High: The Temples of Ancient Mesopotamia". Looking over the index, I don't see a section which seems to precisely correspond to what you were mentioning, a sectoin called "temples by city state". You can view the table of contents here
and maybe request a section I can get for you You may be referring to Part one: The Temple lists of Mesopotamia, a section in which George treats Temple Lists from Babylon, Khorsabad, Kuyunjik and from a Neo-Babylonian source. These temple lists were lists made by the ancients which in earliest form were lexical in nature - great lists of items in the Mesopotamian Lexical tradition - however as the author explains the temple lists were later organized theologically (according to temple deities) and then organized topographical (geological location).
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Nov 7, 2008 18:25:58 GMT -5
It was the author's commentary on the topographical list that I was referring to before. Pages 39-45 and 50-65 are omitted and it makes it confusing for me when one list starts and stops. I'm not sure the information that I am looking for will be found in those missing sections though. Because of the way the lists are formated I have found it better to just use the section of the Gazetteer that is provided now. What I'd like to see is the Indexes (pgs. 173-186) So I could see what I'm missing out of the Gazetteer. In specific what I am looking for is information about: Bad-tibira, Adab, and Zabalam (the city-states just north of Umma) Does the book have a general index besides just the Index to the Gazetteer? If so: if you could check the index for these city-states I would appreciate it. ;D
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Nov 8, 2008 16:24:22 GMT -5
Ummia:
About the indexs: These are a wonderful resource and the key to all this work - I am at the library again and am about to photocopy them. Section two of this book is perhaps the most substantial part of the book, it is the Gazetteer of Ceremonial Names - so while at temple may have a simple or common name such as The House of So and So - The House of Enlil, etc., particularly in the scribal tradition a temple was known also by it's ceremonial name; for example é-dur-an-ki "House, Bond of Heaven and Underworld". A ceremonial name is therefore often cosmological in nature, or portrays some divine or mythological aspect. The indexs we are refering to on page 173-186 succeed in indexing this large Gazetteer into 3 different categories: Divine Names (mentioned in the Ceremonial name Gazetteer) Geographical Names (mentioned in the Gazetteer) and Royal and Personnal Names (mentioned in the Gazetteer) are each indexed separately. Each entry in the Gazetteer itself, each Ceremonial temple name, is given an entry number by George - note that the numbers in these indexs do not refer to page numbers, but to the entries in the Gazeteer.
As an example of how the indexs can work, I have used the index as it pertains to Geographical Names found in the Gazetteer for this information on Bad-Tibira:
Entry 195 in the Gazeteer reads: "é-du6.šuba, "House, Mound of the Shepherd" 1, shrine of Dumuzi in é-mùš. (kalam-ma) at Bad-tibira. Commonly found in Dumuzi tests and litinies, often written du6.su8.ba (Inanna and Bilulu 181; VAS II 1, iii 11; BE XXX/1 1, ii 10, Landon, BL no.8, obv. 11; Cohen, Eršemma, p.90, 10; Lamentations, pp.194, 25; 277, 85; 564, 179; 683, 13; etc.)"
Entry 895 is for the é-mùš.-kalam-ma itself - evidently the é-du6.šuba is Dumuzi's shrine itself - it is located with Dumuzi's temple called é-mùš.-kalam-ma (House, Foundation of the Land), itself located in the city Badtibira.
For Adab, Georges says relevent entries are: 714, 796, 855, 978, 1000, 1037, 1134, 1188, 1286 and 1424. Several or numerous temples are catalogued from Adab.
For Zabalam we can refer to entries: 74, 369, 562, 664, 968, 982, 1039, 1091, 1245
cheers ;]
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Nov 9, 2008 17:36:09 GMT -5
Exactly what I was wanting to know, thanks man.
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