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Post by lilitudemon on Mar 8, 2015 22:12:59 GMT -5
I did an article for International Women's Day (Today, yippe~!) on the female ruler named Kubaba. Found here. She is the only female ruler to be mentioned in the Sumerian King's List, though different dynasties are mentioned in different versions. In all stories she was originally a bar keep who rose to power. In Weidner Chronicles, a Babylonian propaganda piece, she feeds a man some fish and gives him water. Marduk then proclaims her to be a sovereign over the world. Her cult got popular in Mesopotamia, the Hurrians likened her to their own mother goddess Hannahannah. The Phyrgians syncretized her with their own mother goddess. In Greek, both the Phyrgian mother goddess and Kubaba's are said the same way so she eventually became Cybele. What a weird history. |
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Post by sheshki on Mar 9, 2015 8:31:14 GMT -5
Looks like womans day is the day for Kubaba articles. link |
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Post by lilitudemon on Mar 13, 2015 4:49:24 GMT -5
^I love that article. I had no idea just how much pubs and beer were connected maybe to sacred prostitution, and considered sacred themselves. This requires more investigations. Now I see why a "bar maid" rose to such prominence.
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Post by seeker666utu on Mar 17, 2015 12:00:16 GMT -5
What does Ku- or Kug- mean? I know that there is a Goddess referred to as Bau/Babba, so is she the same as Kubabba or was the eartly Kubabba named for her?
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Post by sheshki on Mar 17, 2015 13:34:10 GMT -5
 kug, ku 3entry from ePSD kug [METAL] (3875x: ED IIIa, ED IIIb, Old Akkadian, Lagash II, Ur III, Early Old Babylonian, Old Babylonian, unknown) wr. kug "metal, silver; (to be) bright, shiny" |
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Post by seeker666utu on Mar 17, 2015 13:57:04 GMT -5
Thank you Sheshki. So Kubaba could be shiny or bright Baba or Bau?
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Post by sheshki on Mar 17, 2015 16:29:19 GMT -5
No, because, as far as i can see, Kubaba the goddess was written with a KU 1  , not a KU 3  and Bau is written    Kubaba seems to have been a main goddess in the pantheon of Karkemish in now northern Syria. Here is what Reallexikon der Assyriology has about Kubaba, heavily summarised. If you want to know more visit Libgen.org and download RIA6, there are several pages about Kubaba. Chief goddess of Karkamis, attested principally in the cuneiform texts of Bogazköy, Ras Samra, (Meskene) -late IInd. millennium B. C.; and the hieroglyphic Luwian texts of N. Syria and Anatolia, early Ist. millenium B. C. It has been suggested that the name is connected with that of Ku(g)-Baba*, but the chronological and spatial gulf between the two names seems at present unbridgeable. *Kù(g)-baba, queen of Kish Kubaba the queen on the other hand was written with We do not know when Kubaba the queen lived, but let´s assume it was around 2700 BCE and the first attested sources for Kubaba, the goddess in northern Syria is from around 1300 BCE (both numbers are guessed of course, so don´t cite me  . 1400 years between Kubaba the mythical queen of Kish and the first sources for Kubaba, the goddess in northern Syria. Onethousandfourhundred years... |
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Post by seeker666utu on Mar 17, 2015 16:44:02 GMT -5
Cool thank you sheshki.
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Post by lilitudemon on Mar 18, 2015 11:59:25 GMT -5
That's weird, some hypothesize that her cult spread to Karkemish, but really think it's up in the air...
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Mar 20, 2015 17:42:23 GMT -5
Yes, in as far as I can see, Sheshki's above cautions are important here. These follow the general tone of the entry for Kubaba in RLA 6, the Reallexikon der Assyriologie which is the only authoritative encyclopedic series in the field. It is often difficult when you have a simple question like 'is Kubaba the 'king' and Kubaba the later goddess one and the same being?' to get an answer from the literature. Sometimes authors aren't concerned with throwing this sort of FYI note in. I think the field is moving toward a distinction between the two, another indicator comes from two books written by G. Leick. The first 'Who's who in the ancient Near East' treats only historical figure, the second 'A Dictionary of the ancient Near East' focuses on gods and goddesses etc. Below you will notice that historical Kubaba in the first book (1) is not at all cross referenced with divine Kubaba in book two (2). www.enenuru.net/storage/kubaba.png In any case, it good you have brought this subject up, its definitely interesting and I have long been overlooking Kubaba from the SKL. |
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