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Dec 27, 2009 0:16:45 GMT -5
Post by madness on Dec 27, 2009 0:16:45 GMT -5
I hope you do more of the underwater paintings they are awesome
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Dec 27, 2009 9:54:18 GMT -5
Post by sheshki on Dec 27, 2009 9:54:18 GMT -5
@ Naomi: It is fixed. Totally
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Dec 27, 2009 18:54:19 GMT -5
Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Dec 27, 2009 18:54:19 GMT -5
Heya Naomi - Updated verison looks good Should indeed make some more Mesopotamian stuff - and it seems to be getting harder and harder to view the old stuff, whats the deal!
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Dec 27, 2009 22:21:27 GMT -5
Post by sheshki on Dec 27, 2009 22:21:27 GMT -5
old picture replaced
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Jan 21, 2011 3:21:09 GMT -5
Post by sheshki on Jan 21, 2011 3:21:09 GMT -5
hey naomi, nice visuals, i like the cuneiform as well (and i think i can spot my name there maybe you could do something about the mirrored cuneiform part...it hurts my eye i will update asap
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Jan 21, 2011 18:43:58 GMT -5
Post by sheshki on Jan 21, 2011 18:43:58 GMT -5
naomi, i updated the gallerie, and i saw your drawn cuneiform, pretty! Why was there the AMA sign on this weapon as well? Was it the "mother of all pistols?"
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Feb 1, 2011 10:45:56 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Feb 1, 2011 10:45:56 GMT -5
Great images, Naomi. I would like to see more from you on Sumerian theme. May the Lord of the True Tree inspire you. I draw too slowly by hand, and lately I orientated myself to the art of collage, which also proved to be a very awkward matter for me but at least I'm fascinated by the new technique itself. Let me present my recent 2 works together with 2 updated old ones, as I promised Sheshki: The first one is dedicated to Her who has ever left me and whom I've ever sought after: Attachments:
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Feb 1, 2011 10:48:40 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Feb 1, 2011 10:48:40 GMT -5
The second one is dedicated to Her who will never leave me... Attachments:
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Feb 1, 2011 10:53:03 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Feb 1, 2011 10:53:03 GMT -5
This updated old one is dedicated to both of Them. Attachments:
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Feb 1, 2011 10:57:51 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Feb 1, 2011 10:57:51 GMT -5
The other updated old one is dedicated to Him who has contacted me since my childhood yet. Attachments:
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Feb 1, 2011 11:38:51 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Feb 1, 2011 11:38:51 GMT -5
Sheshki, I continuosly see some mistakes to correct, so I have updated versions even of the above collages.
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Post by sheshki on Feb 2, 2011 4:33:41 GMT -5
Very nice pictures, Enkur. Just let me know when you are satisfied with your pictures and ready to share them with the world
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Feb 3, 2011 18:08:48 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Feb 3, 2011 18:08:48 GMT -5
Thanks, Sheshki, in fact I've made some slight corrections to the second one only. Here it is again. There is also a "political incorrect" version of the first one, but whoever is interested therein could tell me to send it to hir privately, via email Attachments:
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Post by enkur on Feb 5, 2011 8:16:16 GMT -5
Thanks, Naomi. Not unlike science, magic also has its bizarre objectivity, though it's the subjective approach which is the only possible way to arrive at that objectivity. At least such is the path of sorcery, or the so called Left-handed Path - to be true to oneself only. The personal god/dess is also a means. If we both have been true to ourselves it's natural to have some congruent concepts I don't exclude the possibility to arrive at objectivity by following some definite religious tradition, cult, or spiritual path - what is termed generally as the Right-handed path approach, but the adepthood, or the spiritual maturity demands the skill of integrating both the subjective and the objective. The sorcerer should be able to act as a cultic priest, (or as a scholar) as well as the cultist should realize both hir dark side (which has become "dark" because of hir avoidance) and the fact that the cult s/he has followed till now had been probably established by another person who happened to objectify hir personal god/dess... Well we still live in a civilization and culture wherein the true spirituality is denied, and the true spirituality is inextricable bound up with emotionality. The still existing monotheist religions are mere totalitarian political and economical ideologies which suppress the human emotionality (except appealing to one's fear) and have little to do with any spirituality - on the contrary, they are all spiritual plagues leading to neuroses and mental illnesses. So how to express our spirituality in such a world? Is it possible our spirituality to nourish us in this world as it could do it if we lived in the antiquity? Most of us should work other jobs which have little to do with our true natures in order to survive, and that makes life abnormal. Times have changed but times will change again. For me the true spirituality= emotional intelligence. It's the new evolutionary/aeonic step which is to be made. I believe the sorcerers, the scholars, and the neo-pagans could do something together in this direction.
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Post by enkur on Feb 7, 2011 8:08:37 GMT -5
Of course human is a means to something greater but it has become an inadequate means by making of itself a purpose in itself. Note that the monotheist cults are all human-centred, not life-centred: "God" created man according to "His" own image and gave him power over the beast in the field, over the fish in the sea, over the bird in the sky etc. - life itself has become just an object of human consummation. That's a viral consumerist philosophy The atheist communistic cult also used slogans like: "Everything in the name of HIS MAJESTY THE HUMAN". We saw the catastrophic degeneration caused in the East Europe by this view. By making of itself a purpose in itself humanity has stopped its evolution. I feel human is a means of life, not vice versa, and d Anunnakene are the mysterious phenomena of that mysterious life. That's why the mundane humanity is to humble before them if it is to further evolve - I mean to humble before the real mysteries, not before its own false idol of "God". Can humanity really control the Gravity, the Weather, the Nature, its own Sexuality etc.? Yes, I agree unless these pretentious people become really willing to transcend their conditioned collective "humanism" they won't get rid of the spell they are under. On the other hand, the very physical human form is both the key which holds the gate of change locked up and the key which could unlock it... Well I just made a bibliomantic divination by the source quoted by you, and my thumb fell on the phrase: "Deem not too eagerly to catch the promises; fear not to undergo the curses. Ye, even ye, know not this meaning all." Iiiiii Utu, what more curses I'm to undergo?! ?! ?! ;D
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Feb 7, 2011 12:59:53 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Feb 7, 2011 12:59:53 GMT -5
Also, I find this board not a bad case. I see here the posters, independently of their interests and studies, are more than amateurs because everybody has at least surpassed the level of the common culture. The sad thing is that there is in the present civilization a majority of wealthy and authoritative people who are under the common culture, who think they decree the fates, something which rarely happened in the antiquity. Without much idealizing the past I feel the ancient priesthood assumed not formally the highest class of society. However amateur some of us regard ourselves, I find this board goes in the right direction - at least I've never been so long in any other forum
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Feb 15, 2011 14:09:15 GMT -5
Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Feb 15, 2011 14:09:15 GMT -5
Hello Enkur: Very nice art above! The Inanna piece is very accomplished, integrating the important iconographic details in a fairly convincing manner - must have taken some work Evan if it is less complex, I like the Ereshkigal piece even better - it really has a sullen mood and the integration of deity and underground cave is a great touch. Shouldn't have any qualms about putting it in an online Mesopotamian art gallery if thats something you'd want to do hehe As for community and spirituality I guess we've traded ideas on that on a few other threads, but reading what you have above I could add a few more things. Regarding the ancients, I think that the Mesopotamians believed in spirits, but whether that means they were spiritual in the way we use the word today, I don't know. Following Steinkeller's fairly recent work, I have come to think of the future as being one and the same as the netherworld - this makes sense but has implications for the interpretation of i.e. dream gods which reside in the NW. Hence after death one's future is in the NW, and in ghost/spirit form one descends. There were dream spirits in some way connected with the NW to receive messages from the future - there we malicious spirits sometimes sent by the gods as punishment, an agent of the NW carrying out the verdict of the gods - fate. Fear I think of as natural to the human position. For the vast majority of our existence we have been unable to explain natural phenomena, famine, sickness or death, at least not in a scientific way - and for the vast majority of history, we rely on the conception of deity for our need to seem effective in what has been an otherwise uncontrollable situation. I suppose given the fragile condition of life throughout most of human existence, and the fact that religion has never yet actually stopped famine, sickness, death etc, no religion could be believable without a certain measure of divine fearsomeness - to reflect the awful things that continued to be encountered in the natural world itself.
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Feb 17, 2011 4:17:51 GMT -5
Post by nininimzue on Feb 17, 2011 4:17:51 GMT -5
Now I just need to get my scanner working to show off my Enkig and Nergal drawings. Nice to see I am not the only obsessed one here.
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Feb 18, 2011 18:35:01 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Feb 18, 2011 18:35:01 GMT -5
Hello Us4-he2-gal2 Thanks for your attention, and nice to meet you again online I could do still more work on these collages but at certain point I said to myself "Enough - lest you go fully obssessed." I have each of them in several variants anyway. Do you mean to upload them in the Enenuru's art gallery? Yes, Sheshki has already invited me and I would like to contribute there for goddess and gods' sake. They are all at your disposal. Now I'm preparing an interesting new thread for Enenuru but right now I'm out of any inspiration to discuss on the spiritual theme. My abilities to read and write in English are also diminishing in the moment . Yes, our future is the netherworld but on the other hand, we travel in time with the sun-god westwards facing our past with our unknown future destiny coming from behind, from the east. Crazy enough. I'm already out of memory where I came to know this from - such a forgetfulness makes a bad scholar so I'm telling you good night right now...
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Mar 9, 2011 13:55:18 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Mar 9, 2011 13:55:18 GMT -5
The magical order of Golden Dawn where once Aleister Crowley received his first magical education (1898-1900) has published a Babylonian Tarot in 2006: www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/ciceros-babyloniantarot.htmlwww.freewebs.com/babylonian-tarot/index.shtmlOnce this Rosicrucian-like order used mainly Egyptian symbolism, which according to certain Egyptologists, was pretty distorted being based on outdated Victorian interpretations forcefully adapted to fit the Hebrew qabalah. It's difficult to appreciate the real value of this work from these advertising pages but painting a tarot deck is a difficult work demanding a great skill and dedication, and I feel the artist has invested in these vivid images much of herself, so she is to be applauded anyway.
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Mar 10, 2011 4:04:39 GMT -5
Post by muska on Mar 10, 2011 4:04:39 GMT -5
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Mar 10, 2011 11:38:05 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Mar 10, 2011 11:38:05 GMT -5
Ah thank you very much again and again! I downloaded the deck - praise to the Russians! ;D
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Mar 10, 2011 14:04:29 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Mar 10, 2011 14:04:29 GMT -5
I do appreciate very much this work though I have different visions about certain things and not every cultural layer of Mesopotamia has been so fascinating to me. It's a bit arguable if the combat scene with the imdugud represented in the trump 16 "The Tower" is by all means Marduk and Tiamat though it suits as an archetypal symbol for this card anyway. Though I haven't tried the deck yet, I don't doubt its divinatory properties
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Mar 11, 2011 8:57:07 GMT -5
Post by muska on Mar 11, 2011 8:57:07 GMT -5
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Mar 12, 2011 13:36:45 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Mar 12, 2011 13:36:45 GMT -5
I can't do anything except to agree For me "Enuma Elish" has only a literary value, it's not a genuine myth but political ideology and wishful thinking. On the other hand, it doesn't mean it had no magical effect on the masses. When enough energy is invested in whatever belief, when it becomes a ritual repeated through the generations, it becomes reality and status quo. It was the way the Martu priesthood established their own state cult and institutionalized cosmology. Otherwise I'm more interested in An while he was still the Great Bull of Heaven, and in Ninurta while he was still Imdugud himself etc. The paradox of certain anthropomorphic deities is that they start to fight against their own former totems. That marks the psycho-historic moment when humanity develops social institutions at the expense of its magical abilities. According to Peter Carroll's Psychohistory model I started a thread about, the Sumerian civilization should have started at the point where the Magical paradigm was descending and the Religious paradigm was ascending - namely the classic pagan sub-aeon on the scheme.
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Mar 12, 2011 15:03:10 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Mar 12, 2011 15:03:10 GMT -5
Though in these examples the case is different, in the most Tarot decks the trump 11, (or in some other decks the trump 8), called usually "The Strenght" has always had as an archetypal image a female playing with a lion. For me this archetypal image is obviously an echo of Inanna-Ishtar iconography.
Though Aleister Crowley's works were much influenced by the Egyptian symbolism seems that on a deeper level his magick had more in common with Mesopotamian style he knew little about though a central figure in his magical cult was the Whore of Babylon, or as he calls her "Our Lady BABALON who rides on the Beast 666". His last mystress lady Frida Haris who painted Crowley's tarot according to his visions, has expressed the Trump 11's symbol, now called "Lust" thus:
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Mar 12, 2011 15:05:46 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Mar 12, 2011 15:05:46 GMT -5
The Trump 11 "Lust" Attachments:
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Mar 12, 2011 15:08:03 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Mar 12, 2011 15:08:03 GMT -5
Also, I'm not sure if Crowley was aware of how much his divine revelation Liber AL, the "Book of the Law" had in common with the Babylonian Erra epos, especially the 3d part which was supposed to have been dictated from the name of Ra-Hoor-Khuit. Strange enough, Crowley himself mentions a bit puzzled that the "angel" who dictated him the book had an "Assyrian" appearance.
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Mar 13, 2011 4:42:58 GMT -5
Post by muska on Mar 13, 2011 4:42:58 GMT -5
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Mar 14, 2011 9:33:06 GMT -5
Post by enkur on Mar 14, 2011 9:33:06 GMT -5
Yes, the angel in A. Ivanov's painting is Assyrian-like indeed. Ida Rubinstein's costume is fine - I like the female extravagance And here it is a recent work of mine dedicated to the one who likes scaring me when in the wilderness, but here I took a picture of him from my own window... Attachments:
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