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Post by saharda on Apr 1, 2007 12:44:08 GMT -5
I am Sylt, the Ensi (like a priest) of Temple of Sumer (Http://TempleofSumer.org) one of the few Sumerian Recon temples you can actually get information about. I am interested in science, ancient history, the Supernatural, and of course the gods of Ancient Sumer / Akkad / and Babylon.
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Apr 5, 2007 0:45:44 GMT -5
Im sure this is a bit redundant to anyone who would ever read this, in that Im not sure how you got here if I didnt already introduce myself - unless Sylt sent you I suppose. For those who share in the enthusiam this board represents, it would be helpful to have some idea of your background and interests i.e Sylt's above intro line, for any new comers.
New comers: I work with/for Sylt on the above page [T/S] have in the past posted a small horde of recon material at TOD group - which would now need to be unburied itself in order to be referenced hmm..
We created this forum to better preseve the Mesopotamian posters ideas, work and progress, with the idea that a lasting methodical approch to certain obscure topics will yield a stronger focus and understanding in our circle.
I have no doubts that this will be difficult to accomplish, but I have selected members very carefully..that said all efforts to contribute will be extremely welcome
cheers
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Post by belmurru on Apr 7, 2007 9:00:06 GMT -5
Hi Sylt and Kohl, I'm Ross, known on the board as belmurru.
Thanks for the invitation.
Sorry I have been inactive lately - as I explained to Kohl in a private message, I have been very busy at work and couldn't spare the hours it takes to make an important contribution to a scholarly list.
Now it looks like I have more time to spare, so I look forward to learning and participating in this narrowly-focused group.
Bel Murru
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Post by madness on Apr 15, 2007 10:11:52 GMT -5
Hello Sylt, Kohl, Ross. I'm glad to be a part of this forum. It's great to see some interest in this, certainly something that I've been looking for. I hope I can contribute to this effort in some way, I'm sure I'm much less qualified than you guys though  The Madman. |
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Post by cynsanity on Apr 17, 2007 6:06:24 GMT -5
Hey there guys! It's me, as you might notice from the screenname...
I'm happy that we have this forum, and feel honoured to be a member of it. As soon as my evil time of exams is over, I'll fully participate.
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Post by turushum on Jun 4, 2007 0:34:29 GMT -5
Hello Everyone!
You probably don't know me yet, as I just joined ToD, so a little background. My name is Nick. I am interested in all aspects of Sumerian life but in religion and magic in particular. I am planning to go back to college to get a degree in the subject, and I am sure this board will be good practice for that.
I don't know that much about Sumer yet but I am a fast learner, and the best way to learn is to jump in and get my feet wet!
Tur-Ushum
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Post by david on Jun 7, 2007 10:04:54 GMT -5
Hi, I'm David from the Tablet's of Destiny. For those that don't know, I'm from London, UK, I'm 20, a student, and interested in all parts of Sumer (especially the religion and magic parts).
One of the things I'm particularly interested in learning is what new things have been found about Sumer (like myths, forgotten gods, etc). I think someone on the boards told me a whole new section of myths have been found.
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Post by saharda on Jun 8, 2007 15:57:07 GMT -5
Welcome everyone. Dave, I thought you had been a part of this board before, but I guess not. Tur-Ushum it's good to see you here. You do seem to read quite fast. Perhaps we should set you loose upon some of the threads in ANE board or some of the larger sections on ETCSL.
Madness, I don't think we've been properly introduced, but it is good to see you here also.
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Post by saharda on Jun 15, 2007 14:37:27 GMT -5
Welcome Naomi. What gods have you been having visions of? Also what books have you read, we can probably point you in the direction of a few.
If you are interested I teach most of the new Sumerians that our temple usually comes across and I can be reached at RyverSylt@Yahoo.com .
You can also see a lot of good information on Sumerians from our web site TempleofSumer.org
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Post by saharda on Jul 2, 2007 16:12:36 GMT -5
It's neat that you are interested in Ningishzida. He's an interesting god. He is also the personal god of Tur Ushum (See a few introductions before you)
What I mean by "new Sumerians" is any Sumerian who are new to the religion. Many decide to be perpetual students, but a few go on to become members of a temple. I generally provide information where I can to anyone who is willing to do a little reading.
PS: sorry I haven't been responding more, I have been in the process of quitting my job and that has been eating all of my time.
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Post by amarsin on Aug 8, 2007 17:21:38 GMT -5
I'm new to the board. I am not much into Sumerian Recon or any such thing, but I am interested in Mesopotamian history, culture and society. I have a PhD in Near Eastern Studies and have been fortunate enough to stay int he field so far (but one never knows), so I'm happy to share what I know with people who might also be interested in ancient Mesopotamia.
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Aug 9, 2007 16:22:13 GMT -5
Welcome Amarsin ;] Your intro presents a rare sight to my eyes hm..I would look forward to the destruction of any misconception or mis-step you might find here, or more specifically, to the new understanding that would result. Cheers.
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Post by madness on Aug 10, 2007 7:58:25 GMT -5
Welcome to all you new members! It's really great to see someone with your qualifications come to our board amarsin, your input will certainly be valued.
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Post by saharda on Aug 11, 2007 19:39:43 GMT -5
Perhaps we should get together some of our articles for peer review. I know that I would like some more scholarly review of the material we have presented on the T/S web page.
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Post by rosekitten on Sept 27, 2007 7:41:33 GMT -5
Hello all, I just joined here, and have a feeling I'm going to be spending a lot of time reading for a while. My name is Michelle, but I can go by that or any version/mutation of my screen name as well. I started studying Sumerian history/culture/myths/gods/etc. a couple weeks ago after feeling a very strong pull towards Inanna. I've been an atheist for a while, and over the last couple months any type of religious/goddess searching I'd come across her and be memorized. That's not why I'm not an atheist anymore, but more a result of a somewhat life changing event I went through recently, but I don't I'll go into the details about that here quite yet.  I'm hoping to eventually be able to call myself a Sumerian Recon. but I know that is a long ways off. I haven't yet set up an altar or done any dedications either because I want to know exactly what I'm getting into before I dedicate myself to it. I don't like the idea of just jumping in and doing all that, and then just randomly changing my mind, so, yeah. Umm... more basic stuff. I live in Indiana, and am going to IU Bloomington majoring in Political Science, Business Finance, and International business, with minors currently undecided. I'm hoping to study abroad next year (spring), and for grad school would like to be out of the country. I have a cat (used to be 2 but my roommate let one out... <insert long angry rant>) and 2 ferrets. If there's anything I'm missing, let me know.  |
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Post by amarsin on Sept 27, 2007 11:49:25 GMT -5
I have a question, and I may as well ask it here, since Rosekitten just brought it up-- what, exactly, is Sumerian Recon??
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Post by rosekitten on Sept 28, 2007 10:06:12 GMT -5
A recon, of any religion (as I understand it), it someone who actually practices the religion, and worships the gods, and it was originally done. So, as opposed to just taking bits and pieces (as is very common in modern paganism), you actually follow true to the history. (correct me if I'm wrong though. ^_^) |
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Post by saharda on Sept 28, 2007 16:19:19 GMT -5
Not a bad brief definition. I would add that the religion isn't worshiped exactly as the original was, but gods are taken as real, and a strong emphasis is put on getting into the mindset of the original culture. Recons also tend to be a bit obsessive about scholarship emphasizing study over going with what your gut tells you.
Recon stands for Reconstructionist. Sumerian Recons draw mostly from Sumerian and contemporary Akkadian sources, but occasionally use sources from related cultures such as the Old Babylonians.
Most, but definitely not all, of the members of this board are Sumerian Recons. a good amount of the Sumerian recons here are connected with the group Temple of Sumer or T/S. Again this does not mean that this board is directly related to that temple. (Though I do think that T/S should have an open board to discuss specifically T/S related subjects.)
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Post by madness on Oct 2, 2007 11:05:33 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, rosekitten.
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Post by xuchilpaba on Oct 31, 2007 23:44:46 GMT -5
Hey Rosekitten! I'm an big Inanna fan and consider her to be a feminist, although not in the sort of Neopagan way like you expect.  Hello Sylt, Kohl, Ross. I'm glad to be a part of this forum. It's great to see some interest in this, certainly something that I've been looking for. I hope I can contribute to this effort in some way, I'm sure I'm much less qualified than you guys though The Madman. I like your Alucard av, Dracula spelt backwords.  Ayways, I am the red god; Xuchilbara(Xuchilpaba). I am a Aztec recon, who loves the Sumerians and the religion. I help out w/ you Sumer recons too. I'm also heavily intrested in Mesopotamian demonology (yes those nasty things.) and Jewish/Kabbalah demonology. I love converseing about them so.. |
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Nov 2, 2007 16:41:37 GMT -5
Hello, I am new to the group as well. I am an author, who is working on a historical fiction story that takes place during the reign of Rin-Sin toward the end of the Isin/Larsa period. I have been studying ancient near east history and culture for a few years now but I still have a lot of questions. I'm going to try to read all of the threads first so hopefully I want ask about anything already discussed.
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Post by saharda on Nov 3, 2007 12:19:18 GMT -5
Fantastic. Have you published before? What books are you using for reference for that time period?
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Post by saharda on Nov 3, 2007 12:39:41 GMT -5
If you are interested in the historical notes I can't tell you how valuable "Ancient Iraq" by Roux is. For the nuances of boats and available equipment you should go to "Life in Ancient Mesopotamia" by Bertman. I am not sure who I should recommend looking for if you are interested in the military river/canal tactics of the day.
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Nov 26, 2007 17:13:13 GMT -5
I used to write a variety of prison related stories about true events, nothing special. A little over three years ago I re-read Gilgamesh and decided I wanted to stop writing about modern events and specifically focus on writing stories that takes place in the ancient near east.
The story I am working on is called "The year armies of Uruk, Isin, Babylon, Sutum, Rapiqum, and Irdanene were smitten with weapons". A long winded title after the year name the story takes place in. It will consist of twelve separate stories that each tell of a single day in each month of the year for the protagonist. Each chapter will be 144 lines long and shall be named after a proverb which the story teaches to moral of.
I'm trying to learn about the shift from Sumerian to Armorite in the south during the Isin/Larsa period. From what I read it used to be assumed that since the names on inscriptions are Semitic that the population was generally sumerianized Armorites by this time (the reign of Rim-Sin). However now it is pointed out that this just means that the rulers had become Armorites and that the general population might have been Sumerian speaking up until the old babylonian period.
So I have decided to go with that Everyone on the Tigris south of Adab and Zabalam is Sumerian speaking and everyone north is Amorite. Umma and Lagash are ruled by Amorites in Larsa in the west but still cling to their Sumerian heritage. I made this up based of pretty much nothing so I am wondering if it is appropriate? I just paralleled it with well known examples of similar population and language shifts and looked at how the natives always feel.
So for instance the Ummaites in the story use the Ur III Umma calender for the months of the year and all have personal names from Ur III lexical lists. Does anyone know if this calender started march/April or in the fall?
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Post by amarsin on Nov 27, 2007 9:58:48 GMT -5
Hi Enlil. Your story idea sounds interesting (though 144 lines sounds like a pretty limiting constriction, no??). So good luck! So I have decided to go with that Everyone on the Tigris south of Adab and Zabalam is Sumerian speaking and everyone north is Amorite. Well, this probably isn't right. The reality is that probably already in the Ur III period, people are speaking Akkadian. It's hard to talk about Amorite because we have nothing in Amorite besides personal names! Traditionally, the "divider" between North (more Semitic) and South (more Sumerian) has been Nippur. But certainly after the fall of the Ur III kings, Sumerian was on death's door-- if not entirely gone from the realm of living languages! Well, as far as Umma and Lagash being under Larsa's control in the Isin-Larsa period, I'd say that that's correct. I'm not enough of an expert to talk about Ammorite versus just Akkadian, though. Unfortunately, after the Ur III period, everyone uses the Nippur calendar. And I don't know that there are Ur III lexical lists of any kind! At least, not many. Most of our lexical stuff is from Old Babylonian Nippur. From the second millennium, at least. If you are interested in common Ur III PNs, I can give you a long list, but it's more likely that Ummaites of the Larsa period will have plain old Akkadian names. But I can give you a list of those, too. |
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Post by ummia-inim-gina on Nov 27, 2007 18:10:42 GMT -5
I think I am going to need to move my story to an earlier year, closer to the transition from Ur III to the Isin period. Preferably still a year with a war for a year name. Back to the drawing board.
At what point do you think it would be appropriate to do a story about the shift from Sumerian speaking to Semitic speaking in Umma? Immediately after the sack of Ur or later in the Isin period?
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Post by amarsin on Nov 28, 2007 11:48:29 GMT -5
I think I am going to need to move my story to an earlier year, closer to the transition from Ur III to the Isin period. Preferably still a year with a war for a year name. Back to the drawing board. At what point do you think it would be appropriate to do a story about the shift from Sumerian speaking to Semitic speaking in Umma? Immediately after the sack of Ur or later in the Isin period? Well, our Umma material really stops ca. Ibbi-Sin 4 ( here). This is around the time when MOST of the provinces are breaking away from the Ur III state-- Girsu stops in Ibbi-Sin 5, Ešnunna and year 3, Puzri&scaron-Dagan in year 2, etc. And really, it's clear during the whole Ur III period that you have Semitic speakers. So any time is going to work, but later is better. |
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Post by sheshki on Dec 23, 2007 10:28:48 GMT -5
oh, i forgot to introduce myself,so here we go. my name is frank, im located in germany. my main interest on the wide mesopotamian field is the writing system which i try to learn by myself. i started 3 years ago by learning neo assyrian(only the signs, not much of the language itself) with the workbook of cuneiform signs, which helped me alot!if anyone want to start learning neoassyrian cuneiformsigns too try that book. its written by daniel c. snell and it is very helpful . i was surprised how easy learning the signs has been.since im here on this board i started to play around with sumerian cuneiforms.i think this will be next to learn. as you probably see on this text here, im not much into grammar so thats the main reason why i didnt learn the assyrian language itself...but i guess i cannot resist to try it some day. any book recommendations? ok, enough of this, until now i found many interesting informations here on your board and i cant wait to read more... greetings and thank you for let me be part of it frank |
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Post by us4-he2-gal2 on Dec 26, 2007 2:06:23 GMT -5
Welcome, Wilkommen, Frank, It's very good to have you here. Enenuru has covered some ground and Ive met some very interesting people here - I hope it will continue to engage you and I feel up to this point has been putting the 'foot in the door' so to speak. Truly fascinating things are innumerable and directly forward hmm
Your grammer is quite fine! And its encouraging to hear of the independant study of cuneiform, I would enjoy extracting as much as is possible from a similiar effort. Ive heard good things about Snell, in approaching Mesopotamian language studies I can recommend Richard Caplice's book: "Introduction to Akkadian" which is widely utilized introductory matieral I believe. We'll have to discuss Language studies in depth a some point, as its something I'm also approching ;]
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Post by saharda on Dec 26, 2007 20:32:18 GMT -5
Welcome Sheshki, What languages do you speak / read at the moment? Many of the cuneiform languages are Semitic, and as such learning several of the semitic languages might be easier than jumping from one language family to another. Just a thought.
Anyhow, welcome to the board. I'm Ed, I don't say much most of the time, but I'm generally around.
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